Featured Flaws of Calvinism

That refers to physical life and death, not spiritual!

 

You can believe what ever you want. You still made a false statement.

There is no Biblical Scripture for this.

 

@37818 wrote:
"The difference between the saved and the lost are whose names remain in the book of life. Revelation 20:15. There is a condition upon which one's name is not removed, Revelation 3:5 and 1 John 5:4-5."

AustinC wrote in response:
Are you saying that all the names of all humanity are written into the Covenant and then, afterward, God starts erasing them out?

@37818, please explain what you are claiming. Am I understanding you correctly? Are all humans written into the Book of Life...until they get erased?

I read the 3 references you gave, without explanation, and I think you may be claiming that all humanity is written in the book of life until God erases them from the book.

 

Newsflash, that is the Calvinist position.

 

But the Calvinist position denies "unmerited" election to be the "condition" for the elect. Aka unconditional election.

 

Unconditional versus unmerited. Even if one allows them same meaning, word wise one word literally means no condition where the word unmerited is in fact a condition imposed on the elect.

 

bump @37818

 

Yes. That is my understanding of the Scriptures on this matter.

Now do you know why I believe the names start out are in the book, being that all mankind are sinners?

 

37818 wrote:"
The difference between the saved and the lost are whose names remain in the book of life. Revelation 20:15. There is a condition upon which one's name is not removed, Revelation 3:5 and 1 John 5:4-5."

AustinC wrote in response:

Are you saying that all the names of all humanity are written into the Covenant and then, afterward, God starts erasing them out?

@37818, please explain what you are claiming. Am I understanding you correctly? Are all humans written into the Book of Life...until they get erased?

I read the 3 references you gave, without explanation, and I think you may be claiming that all humanity is written in the book of life until God erases them from the book.

 

I personally do not use the term unconditional election. I use sovereign election.

 

Since I have never heard your position ever expressed before, I would like you to explain how you come to this.
I do not know how all persons can be born saved (with their names written in the book of life (new covenant) and then God waits to determine if and when he will erase their names from the list so that they are unsaved. Then, the person would have to secure salvation all over again after that.

 

1. Illogical based on what?
2. They repent because the Spirit convicted them to repentance and changed their direction.
3. He did ransom all the elect. He did not pay for everyone. THAT is illogical.
4. He did not choose individuals for salvation through faith in the sense that their salvation is based on their faith. Scripture does not state that.
5. You just simply do not understand that verse as we have shown you 1,000 times.

 

Same difference in the way you describe it.

 

Van you are the one that does not understand it.

 

That is exactly what you argue when you change Scripture and say on basis of faith.