For All you Calvinists, and otherwise

I'm sorry, but that is plain dumb.

Imagine if I went out in my yard and yelled "Here Spot, here Spot!" over and over.

A neighbor comes over and asks what I'm doing. I tell him I am calling my dog.

He replies, "But you don't own a dog!"

What do you think that neighbor would think of me? Why, he would think I was crazy.

And that is about what your argument sounds like. God calls people whom he knows cannot possibly respond.

Ridiculous, how can people allow themselves to believe such foolishness as this?

 

Ha Ha, Ha .... thats funny.... " Those Evil Calvinists" heard they eat babies.

 

Come on Luke, do really think this is correct. God commands all to repent, even those who He has not equipped to do so?

In my mathematics, that just doesn't add up.

 

Hey EWF, got the message from your new quote, Thanks.

 

Your math is off and your emphasis on math is over the top. This leads to your error.

God commandeth all men everywhere to repent.

That is what Paul said on Mars Hill.

But many do not. Therefore many are commanded to do what they cannot do.

This should not be a problem for you Quantum. God commands all men everywhere to keep his commandments- no man anywhere can.

Therefore God commands men to do what they cannot do. BTW, he then holds them accountable for not doing what he commanded even though they can't.

Everyone who does not come to Christ will be judged fro every transgression of the law of God they have ever made. Yet they CANNNOT keep the law.

What does this tell you?

That God has no problem telling men to do what they cannot do and then holding them accountable for it.

I don't care if that is not palatable. I don't care if puny mortals think it is not fair. God does not answer to us and our standards of right and wrong.

His word teaches that is what he does- that ought to be more than enough for any child of God.

 

I'm not picking on you Quantum... Just using your post as a springboard for what several are saying.

Actually, though not worded in a way that makes it palatable, Luke is correct.

None of us can save ourselves. We are solely dependent on God. God has commanded EVERY human for all time to be holy, to keep His Law perfectly, and also to repent of any sin, but we all know that not a single one of us can do any of those things, hence our desperate need for a Savior.

Praise God, when the fullness of time was complete, He sent His Son, born of a woman...

Is it not Pelagian to think that we can do the actions that lead to worthiness in the eyes of God? Do we not preach that the unregenerate man cannot just "do the right things" and satisfy God, even if we are Arminian? Some of you have merely reacted to a statement that you've not considered before without thinking through what is actually being said.

 

no, He does not. He commands His people, exclusively, to repent and turn to Him. He does command all MANKIND to repent. He commands all men everywhere to repent and that is not the same as commanding every individual man as in all manKIND.

The unregenerate does not know and will not acknowledge that he is incapable of what God demands of him. Have you ever watched a Roman Catholic walk from the door of the church, on her knees, bleeding as they are, to the main altar of a church 15 meters away, week after week, because she is sure that in due time God will see her repentant heart and forgive her into heaven ? I have, and I'm talking of my grandmother who raised me.

Have you ever watched a throng of thousands of men trying to get to this idol they are pulling, of a man with a cross on his shoulders and a crown of thorns on his head, and men stepping across this throng to get to that float, on the shoulders of other men, falling and getting crushed in the crowd, because he had a vow of repentance and if he can only show his "sacrifice" then maybe his sins will be forgiven ?

Have you ever watched a cousin of yours try to duplicate what Christ did as his vow for that year's sins, getting himself literally flogged and skin torn, and then nailed to that cross he dragged across a hot, dusty road under a baking Philippine sun ?

Have you ever tried to talk to these people and say that what they were not doing is not repentance and be told you are a damnable heretic ?

On the other hand you have probably not seen a communist assassin with a long list of hits he had done, raised as a communist in the hills by his atheist parents, be given a Bible and read that Bible in his solitary confinement cell and within weeks turn into a remorseful, repentant detainee who then went on to save the lives of his police escorts in an ambush staged by his former colleagues to free another and him, and who consistently preached from his jail cell, and go on to be a preacher in another denomination in the very area where he did his "kills".

No, Godly repentance is for God's people.
Reformation is for everybody else.

 

I have seen a lot of things, and yes, I have seen miracles of repentance.

But, you are wrong about God not giving His commandments to all people. His commandments are not just for the elect. It is rather the elect who God choses to save out of the failure to keep a perfect and sinless life.

 

Men are not condemned by rejecting Jesus. Men are already in a condemned state whether or not they ever hear about Jesus Christ. Those who reject Jesus, who love darkness rather than light, manifest their condemned state. Those who believe show that they have been freed by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

 

If one is already under condemnation, then his/her rejection of Christ will not condemn then now or ultimately. What it does is manifest the fact of their being under condemnation. Belief, on the other hand, manifests the fact that one has everlasting life, shall not come unto condemnation, but is passed from death unto life. (John 5:24).

Jesus was clear that everyone that doeth evil hateth the light and won't come to the light. But, he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, that they are (presently) wrought in God. One comes to the light to manifest what he/she is, a born again child of God doing righteous works wrought in God. A person who rejects Christ and stays in the darkness manifests him/herself to be in a state of condemnation before God.

 

no, I will have to keep saying no to this statement, whether it comes from you or anybody else, and mean no disrespect.

Romans 15:4 says : For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

There is a very clear line of distinction here. This statement excludes those who are not of the "we" and "our".

All things written aforetime from which we derive learning whether it be the character of God, our sinfulness, the demands God has placed upon us, the commandments by which we are to define our lifestyles, preferences, personal conduct, rules of faith and practice, all of these are what we call Scriptures, and Paul says it is clearly for OUR learning, those who call upon the Name of Christ, not those who don't.

If God had intended for those who are not His to be subject to His commandments He would have told Moses, to whom He gave the law, to compel all tribes within the perimeters of Israel to come and listen to Him as well. But He did not. He very specifically told His people that they were not to do those things that the Gentiles did in order for it to be known that there is a God in Israel.

And in the 10th chapter of his first letter to the Corinthians, Paul writes basically the same thing, albeit with a different context, and he says :

1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant , how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them : and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased : for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted . 7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written , The people sat down to eat and drink , and rose up to play . 8 Neither let us commit fornication , as some of them committed , and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted , and were destroyed of serpents. 10 Neither murmur ye , as some of them also murmured , and were destroyed of the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come .

This Scripture clearly EXCLUDES those outside of Israel. And since national Israel is NOT THE TRUE ISRAEL, but rather a picture of the true Israel, which is composed of both Jew and Gentile, then and now, we see that God's dealings, His disciplining, concerns only those whom He has placed under His mercy and His care.

Those who are not of God ALREADY have their comeuppance defined for them, they had no Savior in whom their lives have been hid. As the Scripture said:

Let him who is holy be holy still, let him who is unrighteous, be unrighteous still.