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For my bretheren who believe they have a "inerrant, word perfect" KJV, how about this

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Spoudazo, Mar 3, 2005.

  1. av1611jim

    av1611jim New Member

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    I've never heard this. Every apologetic text I've ever seen that dealt with these two verses merely chalked it up to "scribal error". </font>[/QUOTE]__________________________________________________

    It is for this reason that I stick to inerrancy for the KJV.
    It is MUCH to easy to "chalk it up to scribal error" rather than digging into the text and finding out what the "problem" is really about.

    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
  2. azguitarist

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    To Quote a good song, If when you read it and you find somethings wrong, then somethings wrong with you. [​IMG] :cool: [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  3. P_Barnes

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    For example, here's what Geisler & Howe's "When Critics Ask" says about it on pg. 194:

    "This is clearly a copyist error, and there is sufficient evidence to demonstrate that Ahaziah was 22 years old when he began to reign in Judah."
     
  4. azguitarist

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    It lol proves a lack of study. of the writing of books there is NO END.
     
  5. mcgyver

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    First of all.....Good posts Jim.

    Secondly, the facts are that Ahaziah reigned in Jerusalem for one year......Whether he was 22,42,or 102 really has no effect on the text when taken in context.

    My point? Whether scribal error or co-regency is the case here (and either may be correct), it is really a moot point.

    Just a thought.
     
  6. P_Barnes

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    From John Haley's "Alleged Discrepancies of The Bible" Pg. 398:

    "The perfectly simple explanation adopted by Gesenius and most critics is, that the copyist mistook one numeral letter for another . . ."

    Like I said, this is really the only "explanation" I've ever heard about this, so I was especially interested in what other ones y'all have heard.
     
  7. Spoudazo

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    I didn't "ignore the facts."

    I said if you had read my reply,
    "Finally that is one explanation that needs to be heeded. I wasn't aware of that one.

    I certainly don't go through the Bible searching for "errors" but rather it finds erros with me.

    The well-known Norman Geisler among a host of other Christian authors have referred to it, and that's actual a reasonable explanation. I'll look into it further.

    In this instance it seems my original assertion is incorrect, so for that I appreciate the kind correction (by some).

    However, that still doesn't answer or refute the assertion that KJV-onlyism has indeed torn about many Christian groups and friends."

    BTW, azguit. you seem to be a little impatient with your posting, calm down! :D
     
  8. av1611jim

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    Spoud says,"However, that still doesn't answer or refute the assertion that KJV-onlyism has indeed torn about many Christian groups and friends."

    And I say, "Did you miss this?"

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    I can't answer or refute the fact that churches have been torn apart by carnal christians who jump on a hobby horse and wreak havoc on a body of "harmless" believers.
    Does that mean that the issue is flawed or is it that the persons are?
    I submit, it is the persons.
    To say churches have been torn apart by X-issue is incorrect. You can easily see this by the multitudes of issues that arise and split churches. Some are as ridiculous as the color of the new carpet, or pews-vs-chairs, or what hymn book to use. Do red carpets split churches? Are pews more holy than chairs?
    So let's all get REAL here. It is NOT the teaching or point of view that is at fault. It is the MANNER in which people use it.
    It boils down to ONE word. PRIDE
    I admit that the issue over Bible versions is a hotly contested issue. But so is Calvinism.
    Some Calvinist say the KJVo issue is wrong. Some do not. Some KJVo-ists say Calvinism is wrong. Some do not. BOTH will use Scripture to try and prove their point while their opposite sides will do the same. What is the problem? Human carnality is at the core of it and our NEED to be right at all costs.
    A little bit of humility will go a long ways in solving the problem. But as long as the church is made up of sinners, (both saved and lost sinners) we will have the problem.
    I really doubt if it will go away by convincing arguments. I think it will take a Divine Intervention.

    EVEN SO, COME LORD JESUS!

    In HIS service;
    Jim

    BTW, I am NOT exempt from this assessment.
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    Just wondering. You made this staement TWICE on the same page. My post is BETWEEN your statements.

    Are you reading at all?

    I might add that issues don't split churches OR relationships. PEOPLE do.

    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
  9. Spoudazo

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    Yes, I read YOUR response and I wasn't responding to your POST, but azguit.'s post.

    I enjoyed your post and sorry for not clarifying. Though you and I don't agree on everything, I appreciate your level-headedness which isn't too prevalent in Christendom these days, sad to say.

    your brother in Christ,
    [​IMG]
     
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    This is a good song!!!!! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  11. Spoudazo

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    This is a good song!!!!! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] </font>[/QUOTE]Yes, this is a seemingly good song and I've heard it in persons myself several times (revival, etc.).

    However, I'm not dealing with the actual Bible, I'm dealing with a translation *of* that Bible.
     
  12. Phillip

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    It also depends on WHAT you are reading.
     
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    just got back.. I wasn't speaking to spoudazo.

    sorry that it was mistaken. Spoudazo didn't ignore my post.
     
  14. Spoudazo

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    Ok, thanks for clarifying azguitarist [​IMG]

    I wish we could all just talk in person, would make less need for clarifying all the time, hehehe [​IMG]
     
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  16. Phillip

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    I keep telling everybody that I am a Geneva Onlyist, but everybody keeps ignoring me.

    Geneva has been around over 50 years longer than the KJV......so which one do YOU think is letter perfect? [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  17. Phillip

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    Yeah, that would be great, then when things get out of hand, us moderators could just YELL "SHUT UP!!!!!!" [​IMG]
     
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