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For the man who can't afford 140-360 per semester hour.

Discussion in 'Baptist Colleges & Seminaries' started by Plain Old Bill, Nov 24, 2004.

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  1. Plain Old Bill

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    What would you recommend? I'm still pretty new here on the board but have been around long enough to see:
    Those with seminary degrees definitely look down on Bible Correspondence Schools. This is not without a certain amount of justification.
    Bible College graduates generally do the same.
    Both groups have troubles with all kinds of accredited and unaccreddited schools for various reasons.
    So if someone could only afford by circunstances and money to go to a correspondence school or strike out and do a self study which school would he/she apply to? Which textbooks should he/she purchase and study to get the education . It is the education that is important and not the paper hanging on the wall right?
    Which books best teach Greek for someone who has to teach thierself?Which textbook best teaches Bible doctrine?Theolgy?Hermeneutics?Evangelism?Church administration? ect..ect...ect...
     
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    In correspondence you will not have the benefit of the fellowship and dialog with other students and faculty.

    Is God too small that he won't or can't provide for you?

    Perhaps this is a time for you to trust God rather than just your finances.

    What if I told you that the non-believrs took up a collection for my wife when she gave notice that were moving for me to go to seminary. They gave her about $1600 and the church we were at gave us about $400. We had already decided to make the move with little money and never even thought anyone might help us. We trusted God and prayed.

    I can assure you that if I knew what I knew about the town where we were going and the slim chance of getting a job I would have never gone. We went in faith and I got a job right away. We had $2000 dolars with us. At my work I received two pay increases every time they could give me one.

    A friend of mine told me one semester that he would not be able to attend seminary becaus eof lack of money. I was not in a position to help him. So I couldn't. But I reminded him of what the president of the seminary said on the first day or orientation. The president told us top never leave the seminary until we had at least talked with them. My friend humbled himslef and the next went to talk with the seminary about his case. When he went to the seminary he found out his tuition had been paid in full. He never knew who that person was. He still does not know.

    Lok at the prize and know there is a cost to obtain the prize. It may not be easy, but the prize is worth more than it will cost you.
     
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  3. Plain Old Bill

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    GB93433,
    I appreciate your counsel. I went to Faith Luthren Seminary.Please reread my post again. You will find it is for many who rread this forum.My library is sufficient.I have access to Bible colleges and seminairies.
    Some people are homebound,some people are living on minimum wage or less, there are all sorts of reasons for not being able to attend seminary ,financial and otherwise. I am truly glad that the Lord has blessed you this way.
    In addition people want Bible College or seminary level education for other reasons than becoming a pastor or seminary professor.Sometimes people just want to get all of the truth they can pack in.
     
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    I misunderstood you. I know some denominations have study courses. In the past the SBC has had some excellent study courses people could take and go through at their own pace. At this time the SBC has study books I have taken people through on a number of subjects. The ones I like best are Step by Step Through The Old Testament and Step by Step Through The New Testament. Those two are excellent surveys. They are about 200 pages each and will require about 7-8 hours per lesson. There are 13 lessons per book. When they go through those two books they will have a fairly decent handle on the background of scripture.
     
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  5. Plain Old Bill

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    Thanks that's good for Bible surveys.What's the next step? go back on the rest of the thread.What I'm really getting at here is , everybody seems willing to critisize and belittle but few are willing to offer any constructive help for those who have a thirst for in depth knowledge without the financial or sometimes the physical wherewithal.
    Anybody can critisize.
     
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    Let's see , maybe we should take it from this view.A layman says, "I want to be the best Sunday School teacher I possibly can be,my class is ready for meat.I want to be able to make a valid intelligent defense of my faith.I want to be like the Bereans and be able to study and prove things for myself.I want to be able to deal with the mormons,JW's,muslims,& secular humanists."
    How do I go to my Christian bookstore and buy or order the books that will help equip me? How do I find materials that will help me be a better witness? I want meat not milk. When there are people like that what do you tell them?
     
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    When one looks back to where he came from, he can hardly take time to look down on anyone who endeavors to learn. The source of the learning is irrelevant; truth will prevail with a little diligence.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    I notice you are from Spokane, you might talk to some of the men at Moody and see if they have some recommendations. They might also have some info on courses that wouldn't be so expensive.

    There are a lot of online resources that are free and they might be able to guide you a little - also your pastor should be willing to give you an assist.

    As to Greek, with all the helps out there that might be something you could pick up a class on or just work with some of the helps.

    There are some self taught greek hebrew courses if you really feel that is what you want to do. Runs in my mind Moody Press put out the courses but it has been a long time since I've seen them.

    Bible Book store might be able to find them for you.
     
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    Trinity College of the Bible and Trinity Theological Seminary are the originator (back in Toledo Ohio) of the UWW University Without Walls system. Taped classroom lectures, papers, text readings, tests, etc. NOT the same as being there, but a lot better than some that will give you a text and a sheet of questions and no help.

    With the 'net now they have interactive media. It is straight-arrow doctrinally.

    8-credit OT History and 8-credit Theology/Romans would be a first priority. Then focus in on courses that would help you in the ministry to which God has called you.

    They are candidate status North Central accrediting and have payment plan that makes it do-able but NOT inexpensive.

    http://www.trinitysem.edu/
     
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  10. Plain Old Bill

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    So far I have come up with 128 web sites.1 free Bbible college,1 free Bible institute,1 free Bible and leadership training site.
    I have also come up with 126 other web sites with everything from Bible study aids,evangelism,classic helps, commentaries and such. A couple of Seminaries that give access to thier libraries.Some sites with free ministry helps and training as well as materials.Sites for prophecy,apologetics,cults,preterists,and a whole bunch of other stuff.

    Just so you know there is a method to my madness. I am building a WEB SITE that will be a resource center as well as a publication something like the old Sword when John R. Rice had it with a few twists and turns.

    On one of the pages I would like to have a core area one could go to and train thierself.This is assuming they have access to thier pastor.

    I went to Faith Luthren Seminary.
     
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    I also took the Scofield correspondence course as well as the Liberty Home Bible Study course.I'm almost 60 and just building up a head of steam.
     
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    I thought Plain Old Bill meant someone old, not ancient :)

    I'm pushing 65 so hard its catchin me!

    Have heard the Scofield Course was pretty good for its day, hadn't thought of it in years.

    How did you like the Liberty course? Haven't heard much about it.
     
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  13. Plain Old Bill

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    I think it was a little better when I took it in 1980 than it is now.It was definately at the institute level though. I'm better at reading and digging than I am listening to tapes,they tend to put me to sleep.
    The best thing about the course was Wilmingtons Guide to the Bible.
     
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  14. untangled

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    Hey Plain Old Bill,

    I don't know where you are at but I do know that Southeastern students get fifty percent of their tuition from the Baptist State Convention and if you are SB you get 75 percent. They even have a distance ed program for people that can not yet go to campus. You can do 30 credits online. They allow that for students that have not yet moved close enough and the like.

    There are plenty of ways to pay for Seminary. It is extremely expensive but there are ways to pay for it. God Bless you in your ministry.

    In Christ,

    Brooks
     
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    Dear Untangled that is very good information. I wonder if anyone knows of other Bible Colleges and seminaries have similar tuition assistance programs.Having a list for those schools would be a blessing to many.
     
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    I think alot of the SBC seminaries are like that. Do you want to go locally or are you willing to relocate? What seminaries are in your state? I would think they have funds available. Please don't let money stop you. It almost kept me from going to seminary, but God will provide a way for me. May He Bless you.

    In Christ,

    Brooks

    PS. If you are looking for an ATS accredited school try www.ats.edu and look through the different schools. They should have financial aid info on their sites.
     
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    Dear Untangled,
    I appreciate very much your helpfulness and sincerity.Please read the entries I have made during this entire thread to understand the issue a little better and where I am comming from.Oh and thanks for the site.
     
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    Hey Bill,

    Sorry, I had looked over the thread. Guess I missed something. :confused:

    IN Christ,

    Brooks
     
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    You must have missed my second entry.FYI here's a partial list of schools I've attended and training I've had in the past.
    Los Angeles Community College
    University of Maryland
    Faith Evangelical Luthren Bible College & Seminary
    Bethany Bible College & Seminary
    Scofield Bible study course
    Liberty Home Bible Institute
    NRI, CIE,many technical training and management training courses and seminars.
    That does not mean I am not still studying and learning.It does not mean I still do'nt take occassional new or brushup courses.I'm almost 60 years old.If I thought for one moment God wanted me to go back to seminary that is where I would be.

    Although I have ideas of my own I am seeking additional advise from the many on this board who could be helpful if they read the post for what it is instead of trying to send me back to school.
    There a many on this board with great background and education.I am seeking 2 kinds of information as mentioned in my initial post.
     
    #19 Plain Old Bill, Nov 27, 2004
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