Frank Talk about Mexifornia

You didn't ask any.

You seem to be making this up as you go along. I don't remember it even coming up.

In fact, without immigration, our population wouldn't be growing.

The Vatican usually is reluctant to directly intercede in politics of other nations. Back during the 60s, they gave Father Drinan, a congressman, the choice of whether he wanted to be a priest or a politician. That's about the most direct step they took.

Keep in mind that the Vatican is Pro-life, not merely anti-abortion. So if they chose to do that, they could also lay down the law regarding the death penalty. I suspect you wouldn't like that so much.

 

Quoted from the La Raza web-site that I found doing a simple search. They don't seem so radical to me.This statement seems to support Johns statement.

Sorry.

I don't know anyone who belongs to La Raza either. Having been married to a Mexican American...in other words, born here but of Mexican ancestry I don't think I've even heard of this as being anything serious. But what do I know? I just live here. Unlike that guy from Michigan that thinks he has it all figured out.

Do you guys every get the impression that it doesn't matter if something is true or not...you'll just pick a side and go with it? It's fun to watch. But seriously...what's the value in it?

 

Oh, Daisy, you fell into the liberal trap. Liberals say that unborn babies have to be murdered because they would have a low quality of life. Then they say that illegals have to be allowed into this country because there are just some jobs that are too dirty for Americans to do and a low quality of life is acceptable to them.

So we evidently do have a shortage of workers. But Americans have rejected the Protestant idea that all work is good. And we are guilty of mass murder.

But your question dealt with immigration and not illegals. Immigration that is legal is not much debated. Immigration that is illegal is the subject of this thread. The first thing about an illegal is that he is technically a criminal because he has broken our law.

God loves people. God does not want four thousand unborn babies murdered everyday by the act of the United States Supreme Court. Tell me, Daisy, do you believe that there will be eternal punishment for evildoers?

 

You didn't ask any.

You seem to be making this up as you go along. I don't remember it even coming up.

In fact, without immigration, our population wouldn't be growing.

The Vatican usually is reluctant to directly intercede in politics of other nations. Back during the 60s, they gave Father Drinan, a congressman, the choice of whether he wanted to be a priest or a politician. That's about the most direct step they took.

Keep in mind that the Vatican is Pro-life, not merely anti-abortion. So if they chose to do that, they could also lay down the law regarding the death penalty. I suspect you wouldn't like that so much. </font>[/QUOTE]Galatian, who hath bewitched you? I have asked you four or five times it it is not time for The Vatican to rescind the Roman Catholic doctrine that says that artificial birth control is a sin? Do you ever answer a straight question, Galatian?

On the question of corruption in the Mexican government and the primitive judicaial system, you merely prove my point. Why don't you say if conditions in Mexico are as I have described them? You talked about the PRI revolution. Talk about 2003.

Well, Galatian, you have exposed The Vatican's shame again in that they are on the side of murderers. Here they are against the murder of the unborn but they do not want to execute the "doctor" criminal who murders the unborn. But that is all beside the point. The truth is that other than throw that one priest out of Congress--and by the way clergy used to consider their job more noble than that of an elected official--this most political of all Popes--John Paul II--has done nothing except condemn the Protestant Churches and their every move. That is why Roman Catholics and Protestants are not co-belligerents; in fact, Roman Catholics are not even belligerents.

If the Roman Catholic Church is going to nitpick the Baptist people all day everyday, then the Roman Catholic Church should answer some straight questions about Catholic doctrines.

 

The Roman Catholic Church objects to abortion. Are you aware that many artificial birth control methods actually prevent the growth of a fertilized ovum?

If life begins at conception, these are abortions.

As far as official anti-Catholicism and corruption in Mexico, it remains strong. However, there seems to be some improvement, in spots, but it's not enough to celebrate just yet.

 

What has abortion to do with imigration from Mexico to California? I was under the impression that people imigrated from Mexico to California for the same reason that many people have imigrated to the U.S. over the last couple of centuries...for a better quality of life.

Am I missing something?

 

I am from Kentucky, not Michigan. We are not Southern California, but we have a sizable minority of Hispanics in our rural county--around 5-10% of the population.

I don't know anyone in the Klan, but we have several members around here. Somebody belongs to La Raza, for sure. They are obviously not people in your circle, just as the white sheet boys are not in mine.

It's kind of like Katherine Graham of the Washington Post, who, when Nixon won over 60% of the votes in 1972, said, "I can't believe it, I don't know anyone who voted for him..." That said more about her circle of friends than anything else! In a community the size of California, you could have thousands of a particular group running around without you running into them.

I lived in San Antonio in the early '80s, and La Raza was always on the TV down there.

 

Yeah, you are missing something--LOL. The article quoted by Lady Eagle dealt with the fact that Mexico engages in sort of a de facto deportation of its surplus population. Galatian is always putting Baptists down, so I asked him if it was not time for the Catholic Church to rescind its doctrine that the use of birth control is a sin because it is abortion (I guess). This is a valid question since Mexico is all but totally Catholic. From Galatian's reply, I infer that he supports the status quo forever. In other words, Mexico will continue sending people that it cannot handle to America and then Mexico will continue to demand that America legalize the illegal. And the Catholic Church under the political Pope John Paul II will continue to denounce the USA in support of France.

 

Ah, Galatian, we are back to Daisy's original point that celibacy prevents "the growth of a fertilized ovum" and therefore is sinful and an abortion.

 

That wasn't my point at all.

My point was that the RCC says that sex is not to be indulged in except between married couples for procreation and to strengthen the marital bond.

 

Yes, but it would have been your point it you were trying to pin down someone as slippery as Galatian, wouldn't it have?

Notice that the RCC does not want to change its doctrine on this point. Just send the people you cannot handle to the Protestants in the USA.

Tell me, Daisy, do you believe in the transmigration of souls? Do you think that Pope John Paul II has the soul of Pope Leo X?

 

I LOVe how side issues get brought up that has nothing to do with the topic:

It stands to reason, then, that Protestants have rejected this idea as well, so I fail to see what this has to do with the topic.

Again, what this has to do with immigration is beyond me. SCOTUS did not legalize abortion. That's a myth. SCOTUS simply said that, as a privacy right, it cannot be legislated at the state level, but the federal level. Abortion was legal before Roe v Wade and it was legal after Roe v Wade. But again, I fail to see what that has to do with the topic.

Generally, that's true, but there's also a misunderstanding about this. Many people are in the country legally, but are not allowed to work. Others don't have permission to be in the country at all. We generally refer to people in both categories as illegal aliens.

 

I'm trying to figure out what one's religious affiliation has to do with the topic. A majority of Hispanics immigrating are Catholic. So what? So were the Polish and the Italians. When the Chinese came in the late 1800's, they brought confucionism and biddhism. The Japanese brought Shintoism and Buddhism.

I have yet to figure out what one's religion has to do with the price of tea in China.

 

JohnV, why can't you figure out what is being discussed? Is it that your point of view leads to a closed mind that cannot understand any other point of view? In other words, do you consider yourself a liberal?

If you re-read the original link as posted by Lady Eagle, then you will see that the discussion has been close to that article I think.

 

CMJ...I see it too. There are two distinctive discussions going on in this thread. The original one which is basically about imigration, legal or otherwise of Mexican nationals to California.

And the one you are talking about which seems to be about the Catholic church, it's stand on birth control. With the additional sub topic of abortion.

I'm sorry. But I don't see what your discussion has to do with the article that the guy from the Michigan college wrote either.

I don't really care if you want to take the subject in a different direction. I can just skip over your posts. No biggy.

 

No, it would not have been - that seems dishonest to hold someone to a view they don't have.

That sounds more like you, mouse guy; you're projecting.

 

It's true that I asked Galatian, who forever finds fault with Baptists, about the issue of birth control and if the Catholic Church would change its stance on birth control.

It took a long time to get Galatian to answer that the Catholic Church should not change its stance against birth control.

My point on abortion is that with the horrible murder of forty million people--doesn't that upset you, Wisdom Seeker?--a shortage of labor has happened that allows many illegal workers to find jobs.

Other than than, I have agreed with the author of the article cited by Lady Eagle that Mexico is engaging in a de facto deportation of people that it cannot handle. And that Mexico--rich in natural resources--is corrupt in its governmental administration and primitive in its judicial system. Latin America derives its legal system from Spain and Rome. The United States derives its legal system from English common law--a vast improvement upon ancient Roman law. Until Mexico reforms, Mexico will always more or less push people into the USA and hope that they send money home.