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Franklin Graham says God's judgement on America is coming, my view is it already has

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Scott Downey, Apr 16, 2021.

  1. Scott Downey

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    We've been under the judgment of God since Roe v. Wade.

    God has done the final act [as Romans 1 teaches] of turning us over to our craving for sinful desires and "degrading" our bodies with each other. Just think how over the past decades pornography, fornication, and adultery is the accepted norm. And now the last and final result of this turning away from God is his giving us over to our craving for homosexuality and it now abounds and is exalted.

    It will get worse and worse, BUT it already has gotten worse and worse. And the remnant of the faithful has gotten weaker and weaker.

    America will fall. I don't mean to be a negative-nilly. I just have to face facts.
     
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    We are under the judgment of God now, and it will not relent until the church repents and does the first works.
     
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  4. Scott Downey

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    This is also like the times of Abraham, Lot and Noah. While surrounded by the wicked of the world, those people of God, God saved and protected, some to a greater degree were preserved and some lost much, but God saved them all, while the others God destroyed. Abraham fought wars and won against kings of this world, and he prevailed with Pharaoh. We know their stories, Lot had some worldy issues, making his home in Sodom, offering virgin daughters to sodomites, God though saved his life.
     
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    Hello Scott,

    According to many end-times calenders, America and many other places in the world are in a death spiral. Openly manifest sin and depravity is rising up like a tsunami.
    I have been exploring the postmill view which sees the gospel being victorious over sin, here on earth before the eternal state.

    I used to say I was an optimistic Amillenial person after I left the dispensational camp. By that I meant to say, the gospel is always victorious , whether people are damned , or saved.
    2cor2;
    14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

    15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

    16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

    17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.


    Now I am seeing that in the longsuffering of God, perhaps we are still the early church, and many more people are going to be saved.
     
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    In a way,, there are kinda two things here (the nation and the church).
     
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    This is what I have been reexamining in some detail.
    When God judges a nation, even the Godly people suffer with the ungodly many times....In this message A.N. Martin shows how there is solidarity;
    God's Word To Our Nation (1)Daniel 4:34-35, Job 12:23-25, Psalm 9:7

    Part 1 of 4 - hear them all.

    A brief series of four messages addressing the moral condition of our nation in a focused way. The first message deals with the relationship of God to all the nations, including our own.

    In this introductory message we see:
    1. the subjugation of all the nations to the sovereign rule of God.
    2. the accountability of the nations to the just judgment of God.
    3. the responsibility of the nations to hear the word of God.
    4. the solidarity of believers with the nation in which they are found.


    Subsequent messages address more pointedly our nations’ sins of bloodguiltiness, sexual perversion and religious apostasy.




    I heard all four messages preached live at a family conference, here are the other three;
    National Moral Degeneracy (2)

    Bible:
    Proverbs 14:34; Genesis 4:10; Genesis 9:5-6; Romans 13:4
    We have received many blessings from the hand of God as a nation and have much to give Him thanks for; yet as a nation we have not been living as those mindful of God's kindness to us and of our accountability to God. Instead, we have turned away from listening to God and His word into paths of unrighteousness.

    One of the most aggravated sins of moral degeneracy of our nation is that of the unrequited blood of murdered multitudes. Our nation is stained with an ocean of blood that cries to God for His vengeance. In this opening up of God's Word to our nation, we hear God's rebuke and denunciation for our nation's aggravated sins and a call to repentance and prayer.

    Our Nation's Sexual Sins (3)
    Proverbs 14:34; Romans 1:18-32; Leviticus 18:1-30

    Our Nation is in serious spiritual need but in God's word, the Bible, we find answers to our moral and social problems as a nation.

    Sadly these days, our Nation is marked not only by an unrestrained and unashamed abandonment to sensuality but also by the putrid sin of sexual perversion. What is called sexual orientation and an alternative lifestyle today, God has always called an abomination, which he visits with severe judgment but from which he offers salvation.

    In this message from God's Word to our Nation, we hear God's rebuke and denunciation for our nation's aggravated moral sins and a call to repentance and prayer.

    There is cleansing in the blood of Christ for all of our sexual sins. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

    National Religious Apostasy (4) Proverbs 14:34; Jeremiah 25:3-6; Jeremiah 2:10-13
    "Righteousness exalts a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34

    As a nation we have in large scale rejected the true and living God and have abandoned our godly heritage and the special light that came through mighty preachers in the past and formerly pious church denominations and have gone headlong into decadent humanism, deceptive liberalism, demonic occultism and a weak, man-centered, flesh-pleasing, fad-conforming evangelicalism. By doing so we have incurred a dreadful accountability as a nation before God. As a nation we must repent and plead for God to have mercy upon us.





    Preached at the Mid America Family Conference in Bluffton, Ohio.
    sadly, most of what was preached then has been coming to pass.
     
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    Yes, judgements from God have occurred on nations through history that lead to their destruction, (we don't speak Latin ) and it does not have to be the return of Christ and judgement Day. Lot and Abraham were contemporaries, Abraham was blessed and the friend of God, Lot though had his living in Sodom. Before they split they had lots of issues among their folk, and Lot chose what seemed to him to be the best of the land. Abraham grows wealthy and powerful even as a warrior, yet Lot who also had many cattle and goods seems to wither and weaken in Sodom.
     
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    America is facing a judgement much different than most prognosticators believe.

    Some believe in a cataclysmic destruction similar to what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah via the eruption of Yellowstone or Rainier.

    Some believe in civil war causing the nation to be vulnerable to being conquered by our enemies.

    Some believe that at a low point America will repent and return to God. And lead the world to a Christian utopia.

    I say to all of these, Bologna!

    None of these match the entirety of the many prophecies. And the well established hate driven biases, that are prevalent all over the Earth, are not waning, they are increasing.

    Something big is most certainly coming. The heat generated by hatred is reaching it's boiling point. Not just in America but worldwide. Something has to happen to drastically change the world political scene. And the one thing prophecied, that has not yet happened, capable of totally altering the world political scene, is Ezekiel's chapters 38 and 39 war. That is what God has allowed to develop.

    At least part of the Israelites, had to be allowed to return to their God-given land, and reestablish the nation, for the Ezekiel's chapters 38 and 39 war to occur. God has done exactly that.

    The political fallout in the aftermath of the Ezekiel's chapters 38 and 39 war is astounding. 5/6th of the population of the enormous alliance that comes against Israel is destroyed by God's intervention. The surviving 1/6th will be impotent politically.

    Currently the whole world, including the ruling American Democratic Party, believes it can bully, intimidate, and dictate to Israel. That will Not be the case when the world knows that God defended Israel against the alliance that came against her.

    The Communists will come in the pride of their conquest Atheism and be defeated. Who then shall be a conquest Atheist?

    The Iranians will come in the the pride of their conquest Shia Islam and be defeated. Who then shall be a conquest Shia Islamist?

    The Turks will come in the pride of their conquest Muslim Brotherhood Sunni Islam and be defeated. Who then shall be a conquest Muslim Brotherhood Islamist?

    No nation currently upon the Earth supports the Israelites controlling the Temple Mount in Jerusalem and the building of the Third Temple. But who then shall deny them?

    One entity that is for the building of the Third Temple, on the Temple Mount, is the Usurper of the Identity of Christ. The Antichrist. He knows that Christ is prophecied to rule and reign the Earth from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Therefore, He shall support the Israelites building the Third Temple.

    Now what does all this have to do with the judgement of America? It is the spiritual judgment of America. The worst thing America could do is be an instrument in the establishment and enforcement of the Antichrist's kingdom. And that is exactly the position that America will find itself in when America's chief rivals are neutered in the Ezekiel's war.

    This is the reason that God has allowed the "falling away" to take place and Liberalism to gradually, over the last 100 years or so, to gain internal conquest of America. This same process started much earlier in Europe and it is the prototype of what is happening to America. This is why the European Union and the American Democratic Party are in lockstep with one another.

    Liberalism promotes the Satanic concept of religious Coexistence. The Antichrist uses this vehicle of "All roads lead to God" to unite the earth.
    The "falling away" from the Truth of John 14:6, had to take place for the emergence that we have seen in our lifetime of the Coexistence movement. And it has now emerged Politically in the manifestation of the entity known as Human Fraternity.
     
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    While awl ov is chaseink old Begs, I remember sum won seein' : Living as a Christian in this sin-cursed hard (Even with the H S 2 guide us!) But the Retirement program is............OUT OF THIS WORLD!! (Can I get a witness hear?)
     
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