Freemasonry vs. Christianity

I believe in Sweden all one must do is pay the extra 'Christian tax' in order to be a Christian.

In any case, we are all free to choose for ourselves if we are going to attend a church that accepts Freemasons as fellow Christians. I assume that you are aware of the many half-truths that I see, but you consider them to be whole truths. That is fine, all we can do is agree to disagree and let the Lord decide the issue on His day.

I simply posted to point out that we are not to judge a group simply by what they claim to be.

 

Eladar
Are you refering to the Lamb Skin Lecture being a half Truth, a reminder that God said we must be without sin to be in Heaven.

 

Yes, the Lamb Skin Lecture is a half truth. Everyone sins, there is no escaping sin as long as we live. It is only after death that those who are to be found righteous will have their sins covered by Jesus' blood. Blessed are those whose sins are not remembered.

 

The reason for it Eladar is Freemasonry has no plan of Salvation. It states the Truth and gets it from the Holy Bible as to the reminder. So within the Holy Bible lies the Answer.

It is made so that you will seek the answers.

 

Fear.

 

gb93433

Read Fundimentlism and Freemasonry by Dr. Gary Leazer who worked and done some of the research for the SBC on Freemaosnry.

 

Lodges use the KJV Bible, and refer people to "The Divine Precepts it contains".

Why would Freemasonry if it it anti God refer people to the Primary Texts of Christianity for answers?

 

Jacob,

Let's go back and see how this thing developed. You said

Here you are saying that the Lamb Skin ritual 'reminds' people how to get into heaven. (What you call reminds, I call instructs) I've always considered entrance into heaven as being equivalent to salvation(if there is a difference I'd appreciate an explanation), therefore I'm a confused by your last reply:

 

(Here you are saying that the Lamb Skin ritual 'reminds' people how to get into heaven. (What you call reminds, I call instructs) I've always considered entrance into heaven as being equivalent to salvation(if there is a difference I'd appreciate an explanation), therefore I'm a confused by your last reply


Eladar

If I remind you that God has laid down a Law that says you must be without Sin to get to Heaven. I am not instructing you on who how to gain entrance. I am just stating the rule God laid down. Entrance in to Heaven would be Salvation. Freemaosnry never offers a Garuntee into Heaven it only says May or Hope. May it be said to you well down good and faithful servant or A Hope by Education, Divine Providence and the Blessings of God.

If I remind you to make a Cake you need eggs, milk and cake mix. Did I tell you how to make the Cake or did I just give you the Requirements for it. I did not instruct you that you must first preheat your oven to 400, use two eggs, cup of milk and cake mix stir put in bowl for 5min, grease a pan pour mixture in the pan bake for 20 min let cool for 15min than ice the cake.

I can remind you of what is needed without giving you the instructions. That is were I as a Christian Masons can come in, When some says how do I gain access to Heaven. Since Freemasonry offers no plan and states Freemasonry can not get you into Heaven. I can tell them. I share the saving Grace of Jesus Christ with Them.

 

Thanks Mike. I am in total agreement with your post. Thanks for the support! Your knowledge and documentation concerning Masons obviously surpasses mine.

Jacob,

If you were simply stating that in order to enter heaven one must be without sin, then you would simply be teaching what the Bible says, but Lamb Skin ritual does more than simply state that the saved must be without sin. As Mike points out, it also states how we are to achieve this sinless state, by good works(without mention of Jesus Christ).

This is true, but it is implied. In any case, at best I would classify this as just another 'half truth'.

A requirement is required. If I can come up with one counter example, then I have proven that what you classify as a requirement really isn't a requirement. My counter example: the theif on the cross who sided with Jesus. He did not meet the requirements that the Masons teach, but he is saved none the less. This is because the only requirement for salvation is Jesus Christ, which the Masons have ignored.

I know this is what Masons claim, but as you can see I've already explained why I believe this claim is false.

 

(If you were simply stating that in order to enter heaven one must be without sin, then you would simply be teaching what the Bible says, but Lamb Skin ritual does more than simply state that the saved must be without sin. As Mike points out, it also states how we are to achieve this sinless state, by good works(without mention of Jesus Christ).)

Eladar
If you take the Lamb Skin Lecture out of Context that is when you get a works Salvation. That is one of the main reasons the SBC had against it, is that it can be taken out of Context so easily. To simplify it, it simply states you must be without sin. It does not say you can achieve entrance into Heaven But it does state you must be without sin.

I have ran this Lecture by sevral Pastors all say it is a True statement But it could be easily taken as a Works Salvation.

Freemasonry clearly states in Grand Lodge Document that you can not goto Heaven with Good Works. Also I would have to disagree with (without mention of Jesus Christ) As I stated earlier its states by Devine Providence or God's Plan. What is Gods Plan?

(A requirement is required. If I can come up with one counter example, then I have proven that what you classify as a requirement really isn't a requirement. My counter example: the theif on the cross who sided with Jesus. He did not meet the requirements that the Masons teach, but he is saved none the less. This is because the only requirement for salvation is Jesus Christ, which the Masons have ignored.)

The Theif most cetainly met the requirrments Freemasonry says you must be without sin and Christ made the Thief pure and without sin. So he most certainly meet the requirments.

( know this is what Masons claim, but as you can see I've already explained why I believe this claim is false. )

The Claim is not Fasle you even backed it up with the Theif on the Cross His sins were forgiven and He was made sinless before God and that is the Requirement to be sinless. Freemaosnry states the very same to be Sinless before God is the Requirement but you are to find Salvation outside of Freemaosnry because it does not offer any and that by Education, Divine Providence (God's Plan) and God's Blessing you may Hope to Achieve it.

 

(So, the Masonic plan of salvation boils down to self-endeavors, self-effort, and self-righteousness.)

Mike you leave out God for some reasen when Freemaosnry says the Blessings of God.

 

Jacob,

As I said earlier:

 

It is easy to take Sledges at Dr Gary Leazer, but bear in mind that he was not a Freemason prior to writing his report, he became a mason well after that, after he came to the realisation that what people were accusing the masons of was simply not true.

How did Dr Gary get to his position in the SBC? By alot of hard work and study. It is all too easy to throw darts at him rather than actually consider his research.

 

You can show Christ in Freemasonry even the SBC presents Christ in Freemasonry he is one that the SBC states:

(I am the resurrection and the life, saith the Lord. He that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.)


Now the things the SBc does not like:

1. The prevalent use of offensive concepts, titles, and terms such as Worshipful Master for the leader of a lodge; references to their buildings as mosques, shrines, or temples; and the use of words such as Abaddon and Jah-Bul-On, the so-called secret name of God. To many, these terms are not only offensive but sacrilegious.

A: The Titles used are from the 17th cent and eariler. The term Worshipful means repectable. As far as terms given to Lodges is to represent Peace and Brotherly Love. As far as Jah-Bul-On this is not in the Blue Lodge Abaddon more info is needed. But the SBC does not say it is wrong but says by many they are concider offensive and Sacrilegious. But if they would do research it would not be to them.

2. The use of archaic, offensive rituals and so-called bloody oaths or obligations, among these being that promised by the Entered Apprentice:

Oaths are debatable we take them every day. The Oaths of Freemasonry are to say you will protect others no matter what Just as a Marriage Vow (Which is an Oath) you promise to protect even at the cost of your own life.


3. The recommended readings, in pursuance of advanced degrees, of religions and philosophies, which are undeniably pagan and/or occultic, such as much of the writings of Albert Pike, Albert Mackey, Manly Hall, Rex Hutchins, W.L. Wilmshurst, and other such authors; along with their works, such as Morals and Dogma, A Bridge to Light, An Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, and The Meaning of Masonry.

I have not read any of these Books and none of them were recommended to me. But the One that was recommended to me and is not mentioned by the SBC the Holy Bible, Born in the Blood and Freemasonry and Fundimentlism. It should have been noted that a Majority of Masons do not recommend Morals and Dogma.

4. The reference to the Bible placed on the altar of the lodge as the furniture of the lodge, comparing it to the square and compass rather than giving it the supreme place in the lodge.13

I would disagree with this as the Bible is called the Great Light of Freemasonry. But if you aplly this rule to the Lodge than you must apply it to yourself. It you are asked about what is in your House, Office or Car while you have a Bible in each Location and you say your stuff is in there without giving a Supreme Place to the bible than you are error. I do not think this is really an issue.


5. The prevalent use of the term Alight, which some may understand as a reference to salvation rather than knowledge or truth.

Opnion of the SBC, Again where it can be taken out of context. Even the SBC recognizes its meaning as Knowledge not Salvation

6. The implication that salvation may be attained by one's good works, implicit in the statement found in some Masonic writings that Masonry is continually reminded of that purity of life and conduct which is necessary to obtain admittance into the Celestial Lodge above where the Supreme Architect of the Universe presides.14 Even though many Masons understand that the purity of life and conduct can only be achieved through faith in Jesus Christ, others may be led to believe they can earn salvation by living a pure life with good conduct.

SBC does not like it because some may take it as a Salvation by Works. Even thou Freemaosnry states it does not and that You can not get to Heaven by Good Works.

7. The heresy of universalism (the belief all people will eventually be saved), which permeates the writings of many Masonic authors, which is a doctrine inconsistent with New Testament teaching

I am not sure this is the case maybe the contraversal Authurs. But writtenings of Others are dead on with the Teachings of the New Testiment and many Preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Majority of Masons are Christian.


8. The refusal of most lodges (although not all) to admit for membership African-Americans.)

I will not deny this as this is not something confind to Freemasonry. But the Teachings of Freemaosnry are that all are Equal no matter the Shade of Skin. The poeple who will not allow a good person of any Skin shade is not follwing the teachings of Freemasonry and should not be one. I have voice my opnion on this issue and have told people that people like that should not be Masons for they do not belong.

 

"Most christian masons"? Just a little presumptous. Any "Christian" will know exactly what John 14:6 is about in order to be a Christian.