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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Salty, Dec 5, 2016.

  1. JamesL

    JamesL Well-Known Member
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    Oh, that's talking about false apostles - not false Christians
     
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    Not much difference between the two, is there?
     
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    This reminds me of the man who was for many years Billy Grahams righthand preacher, stood in for him, some thought was groomed to be his successor... Name was Templeton, and he refuted all of it, became totally athiest, so he would seem to be in same boat!
     
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    You do realise that the Aposles message was the Cross and resurrection, not Mosaic Law to save sinns?
     
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    Yes, especially in a letter where there are distinctively "we, us, you, them"
     
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    John knew them as being false "converts" to Jesus as Messiah, about like same group Hebrews warned about who looked right, but were shown to not be of Jesus and fell away...
     
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    Ministers. You think this guy was born again and became unborn? That would be a flimsy salvation of a weak Savior.
     
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    And would make for a weak Holy Spirit, as He seals us unto the Second Coming day!
     
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    I don't get your point.

    Where's the unborn part come from ??
     
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    Yes. Is somebody questioning this?
     
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    No, he knew them as Gnostics who were never in the light.

    Hebrews concerned Jewish believers in Christ - real believers - who were falling away, back to the Law. And their eternal destiny was never a question, even though they had trampled the Son and were "close" to bring accursed....
     
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    Actualyl, Hebrews addressed saved Christians to stay faithful to Christ, and those like in Chapter 6 were unsaved passng as Christians, but showed their true colors by faling away, back to te Law!
     
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    They weren't unsaved, and there isn't anything in the text to suggest that.

    Born again believers who fell away...and remained born again.
     
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    Where do you get "born again" out of that?

    If John wasn't just chomping his bubble gum, his doctrine is that those born of God cannot sin, because they are born of God.

    And that Peter fella . . . he says we are kept by the power of God, not our own power.

    So who would venture to say otherwise?
     
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    Only our inner man is born again right now, not our flesh. And that's what John was talking about. He had already stated that we have sin, and that was in the context of the flesh.

    And yes, we are kept by the power of God - even if we commit apostasy He keeps us. No one can snatch us out of His hand
     
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    They never were saved, as Writer after that addressed those in the church who he was confident were saved, as they would continue in the Faith!
     
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    He never said "I'm sure you are saved"

    What he did say is that he was confident of better things for them....endurance

    Never once did he cast their eternal destiny under a shadow of doubt. It's unfortunate that some people can only see Heaven and Hell, I have no concept of rewards and inheritance to the faithful

    It's also unfortunate that most people can't simply read the text for what it says, and are unable to resist the urge of imposing their doctrinal structure on to the text
     
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    The ones addresses by him in chapter 6 in beginning were those faking being Christians, while those he addressed afterwards were really saved!
     
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    What verse says fake?
    What verse says really saved?
     
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    Those who fall away showed never were really is, while those who were would be perservering in their faith!
     
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