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Frontline Doctors spill the beans on fetal cells in use

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  1. Wingman68

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    Except the OP is not true.

    The mRNA vaccines did not use fetal cells in production, manufacturing, or in the actual vaccine. They did use the HEK293T cell line for testing (the cells are distantly related to a fetus from the 1970's).

    The Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccine and rabies vaccines were developed from the WI-38 fetal cell line.
     
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    “Recently, Pfizer whistleblower Melissa Strickler, a manufacturing quality auditor for the company, exposed some of their internal emails. She was horrified by the information they contained and spoke with Project Veritas about what she had uncovered – the use of fetal cells from aborted babies to test their COVID-19 vaccine“

    this is from the op. Whistleblower more trust worthy than all the drug pushers
     
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    Yes. Kinda.

    They (obviously) did not use actual fetal cells from an aborted baby. But like many vaccines they did test against a fetal cell line.

    For readers who do not know, the line was from a baby aborted in the Netherlands in the 1970's. A culture of cells were extracted (again, obviously, these have been long dead). But he cell line was maintained.

    The childhood vaccines ww have received for measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) were actually developed from such a fetal cell line (as was the rabies vaccine).

    So there are partial truths here. The science and cells evolved from an abortion. While I question the education of an auditor who was unaware (this is something most of us earned in high school biology) I do understand her concern. The technology (like many other medical advancements) came out of a death.

    The MMR vaccine has saved the lives of an estimated 30,000,000 children. And of course the rabies and covid vaccines continue to save lives.

    God brings good out of the evil men do. The best example is One who died at the "hands of wicked men" to save us.

    To God be the glory!
     
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    Did you read the link? I suspect not, as you don’t acknowledge what was said, & go on with your own story that you buy hook, line, & sinker. Those good old, way back, fetal cells, long dead of course…….well, what can we do? Turn it into a story that glorifies your story, of course. No problem for the Christian then, I guess.
     
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    Yes, I read the link. Pfizer listed the fetal cell line used to test the vaccine last year. The article is correct that the cells which descended from the 1973 fetus were used to test the vaccine ("proof of concept").

    The article is wrong that the vaccine contains DNA from fetal cells (that part is lying). The article may be right that Pfizer did not want the controversy of advertising it tested the vacvine using the line, but it is wrong that Pfizer hid that it did (this was in study released by the FDA prior to emergency authorization).

    You are wrong in thinking these cells used are from the 1973 fetus (that is not what a fetal cell line is)

    And God used the evil actions of men to save millions of children. Thank God for His blessings. Think of those millions of children who would be dead today were you in control. We cannot bring good out of the evil men do. But God can.
     
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    What does not true mean? This from the article:


    Because living tissue is needed for the primary culture, these abortions are often done by the “water bag” method which delivers the fetuses (between 2-4 months gestation) alive. (Limbs, organs, and tissues from aborted fetuses are also a mainstay of modern medical research.) Included in vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, shingles, rotavirus, adenovirus and rabies are human DNA fragments …[17]

    Not only are the babies delivered alive, horrifically, their organs are often removed when they are still alive.[18] This is how they got the HEK293 kidney cells used in the manufacture of the vaccines and why Pfizer wanted it to remain a secret:

    The details of HEK293’s brutal – and from all appearances, until very recently, largely undisclosed – origins explain the company’s deep discomfort. Contrary to nearly a half-century of misrepresentation and obfuscation, HEK293’s creation did NOT arise from an “abortion” as everyday people understand it.



    To harvest a viable embryonic kidney … sufficiently healthy children old enough to have adequately-developed kidneys must be removed from the womb, alive, typically by cesarean section, and have their kidneys cut out. This must take place without anesthesia for the child, which would lessen the viability of the organs.

    … The deliberate killing of an unwanted child (a little girl, in the case of HEK 293) took place in the tortuous manner it did precisely to obtain her organs for research. The harvest of her organs was the direct cause of her death, prior to which, she was a living child, outside the womb.[19]

    The vaccines were made by destroying lives in the most brutal way and the use of these vaccines seriously harm many who have received them, even though the damage may not be recognized as such.

    … According to Plotkin, injecting intact DNA is theoretically problematic which is why they fragmented it. Intact human DNA was recently discovered in a vaccine by Corveleva, an independent lab that has been analyzing vaccine contents.

    Clinical trials for vaccines look primarily for predefined local and transient adverse events so trial participants are only followed for days or months. Long term effects of vaccines are not part of the clinical trials. Section 13 of each vaccine package insert states that the vaccine has not been studied to determine if the vaccine can cause genetic mutations, cancer, or impaired fertility. They are not required to. However, scientists have long known that:

    • DNA fragmentation is a necessary first step to inserting foreign DNA into cells.
    • Through a process called insertional mutagenesis, foreign DNA can be incorporated into a host DNA and cause genetic mutations, cancer, and other health problems.
    • Homologous recombination, another type of mutation involving DNA fragments, can cause serious illness.
    • Retroviruses found in foreign human DNA can be dangerous when incorporated into the DNA of a human host.
    • The embryonic stem cells in which the vaccines are grown are naturally tumorigenic. The FDA has been studying live virus vaccines because of their potential to cause cancer.
    Scientists investigating vaccines have been able to identify increases in autism in different countries that coincide with their introduction of live virus vaccines grown in human cell substrates. This is in addition to the previously known problems arising from injecting foreign human DNA into a human host. While the effect of injecting males with DNA from female fetuses and females with DNA from male fetuses has not been directly studies, a new study does show that autistic individuals are more likely to be transgender and research has investigated the effect of chromosomal abnormalities on areas of the brain related to sexual behavior. This is particularly important in light of the tremendous increase in transgenderism and gender dysphoria (confusion) being reported in many countries …[20]
     
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    "Should Christians take the COVID vaccine? It is important to think about the vaccine from a specifically Christian perspective because a sizable number of believers have indicated they are suspicious of the vaccine, often for reasons related to their faith."

     
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    But (t) he cell line was maintained


    1 Cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

    When that takes place with that dead baby, will those cell lines be resurrected of changed? What about the rest of that once living soul?

    Or is this even relative?
     
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