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Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning - A Different Perspective

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    Based on My Biblical Understanding and Theory:

    Genesis 1&2 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts Gen 1 & 2 agree totally and in detail.

    Since God sees the end from the beginning, Isa 46:10 He wrote the complete HISTORY of His Seven Days in the first 34 verses of Genesis. At Gen 2:4 the narrative RETURNS to the details of the THIRD Day.

    [Isa 46:10 KJV] Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

    In other words, the first 34 verses of Genesis tell us the ENTIRE History of God's 7 Days of Creation, including events which will NOT happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet. Gen 1:28-31.

    Here’s a brief summary of how I read the first five verses of the the Book of Genesis - The Beginning:

    Genesis 1:1 Is a Preface or Summary - The Story of the Beginning of the Physical World
    Genesis 1:2 Tells us the condition of the deep - empty / void - before the making of the physical world.
    Genesis 1:3 The bringing forth of the LIGHT before anything is made that was made - before the world was.
    Genesis 1:4 The division of light from darkness - the first work of old.
    Genesis 1:5 The evening and the morning the first day of creation.

    As you can see, based on the above perspective of the cited texts, our physical heaven and earth that we know of today is still formless and void on the 1st Day of Creation. The 1st formation of the firmament of Heaven took place on the 2nd Day - Gen 1:6-8. Our Earth was formed/made on the 3rd Day.

    Your thought is welcome.

    God bless
     
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    Energy doesn't appear physically except when it's changed into physical matter. It took scientists thousands of years before Albert Einstein confirmed God's Holy Word with his theory of relativity.

    Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the WorldS (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

    Einstein learned the SAME thing. He learned that matter and energy were the same. In order to make matter, it takes energy to produce matter in physical form. Then, you will have things which are seen, but made from things which do not appear to the eye.

    WHERE did the energy to make 3 Universes or Multiverse come from, you might ask. Below is the answer for it tells us where God lives:

    1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

    Can any one here who believe that Genesis is only figurative and not LITERAL tells us HOW Moses or other ancient men, who lived thousands of years before science, authored the the Book of Genesis... and knew that (theory of relativity)? Of course not. It took men thousands of years before Albert Einstein discovered that Scientific Fact. It's PROOF of God……

    Our God is an Awesome God.
     
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    Hebrews 1:2, ". . . worlds . . ." . . . αιωνας . . . ". . . eons . . ."
     
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    Based on my Biblical understanding and Theory:

    Gen 1:1-2
    In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Again, here’s what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries 2k years later:

    Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

    Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin. God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning - but without form and void.

    God knew that in order for Death to be defeated, He would have to send his Son into our physical world to give light/life and to mold the FORMLESS Earth / Ground (like Dust)... and destroy the darkness/death which was upon everything God had created APART from his invisible spiritual realm.

    The emergence of Light was when YHWH, the Son of God, came forth or begotten from the invisible Spirit of God into the physical world when He commanded and spoke the first Word in the beginning and said… Let there be light; and there was light. (Gen 1:3)… before anything is made that was made… before the world was.

    Again, WHERE did this invisible energy come from?. Based on the cited Scripture, below, is the answer for it tells us where God lives:

    1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

    Then, on the 3rd Day, YHWH or Jesus, the Son of God, took some of this physical matters - air, dust, and water - and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang, which cooled and became our Cosmos.

    That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes our worlds.

    God bless
     
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    Pardon my ignorance, the heaven (Hebrew is plural means air?). Seems a bit too naive. And fails take into account galaxies billions of years ago. ... eons ...

    The Son as YHWH is the cause, not begotten.
     
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    The Son of God was at the bosom of the invisible Almighty God Father before the Making of our Physical Worlds in the Beginning. YHWH, the Son, came forth or begotten into the Physical World from the invisible Spirit of his Father, when God commanded His first "Word" in the Beginning and said, “Let there be Light; and there was light” (Gen 1:3).

    Thus, YHWH became the Express Image of the invisible God, bodily or physically - the first born of every Creature …. the only God ever physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him there was none, neither there shall be after him.

    Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was No God Formed, neither shall there be after me.

    To be witnessed is to be seen or experience physically by others. He was Not Created, since, He was already God himself from the Beginning; from Everlasting.

    YHWH or Jesus provided the Light in the Beginning of Creation (Alpha) Gen 1:3, just as He would also be the one to provide the Light of the New Heaven to come (Omega) ref. Rev 21:23. His image is brighter than the noon day sun.

    Rev21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

    Without YHWH, the Son, was Not anything made that was made, because Everything Physical was formed / made - as a potter would mold a clay - by the Physical Hands of the Only God, the Only Image, the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God.

    When we get to Heaven, we will truly understand that the Son is our One God, for In Him dwelleth ALL of the fullness of the Godhead, Bodily.

    God bless

    Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit- the Spirit of Love - without any physical shape or form that no man hath seen at any time and changes not.
     
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    I am certainly not a Hebrew scholar, but I would point to the meaning of "Heaven" as shown by Strong's.

    08064 shamayim {shaw-mah'-yim} dual of an unused singular shameh
    {shaw-meh'}

    from an unused root meaning to be lofty; TWOT - 2407a; n m

    AV - heaven 398, air 21

    Both meanings show that the word is Singular, and this agrees with the rest of Genesis Chapter 1.

    Gen. 2:4-5 show us that the other "HeavenS" (Plural) were formed on the 3rd Day.

    My view was influenced by the Scriptural Fact that Scripture speaks of THREE Heavens.

    The first Heaven was in the midst of water and later destroyed in a Flood.
    The second Heaven is our present world, which is scheduled to be burned.
    The third Heaven is the object of the Creation, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, and it will never die (Rev.21).


    The first heaven was made the SECOND Day. Genesis 1:6-8
    The second heaven was made the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4
    The third heaven was is also made on the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4

    Do you see the Plurality of Shamayim in Genesis 2:4, LITERALLY speaking?

    Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavenS (Plural) and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

    It's a Multiverse alright.

    God bless
     
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    Each of God's Days in Genesis 1 & 2 is NOT 24 hours since the word days comes from the Hebrew word Yowm which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity. A Day is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind.

    A Yowm is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc. A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day of God.... and the 6th Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

    In fact, today, God continues to create sinners in Christ which means that we live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

    The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Gen 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End.

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    ". . . For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. . . ." -- Exodus 20:8-11. The whole argument God gives the people of Israel is that they were days.
     
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    Yes. That is what God called the sky [firmament] over the earth on the second day. Genesis 1:8.
     
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    Below is my complete and UNEDITED quote that supposedly being contested.

    2Pillars >>>>>
    Each of God's Days in Genesis 1 & 2 is NOT 24 hours since the word days comes from the Hebrew word Yowm which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity. A Day is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind.

    A Yowm is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc. A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day of God.... and the 6th Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

    In fact, today, God continues to create sinners in Christ which means that we live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

    The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Gen 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End.
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    2Pillars said:
    Each of God's Days in Genesis 1 & 2 is NOT 24 hours. Note: INCOMPLETE AND EDITED QUOTE - by 37818

    Sorry but I don't find your so called rebuttal properly articulated and only based on an EDITED and incomplete thought that was posted and presented by me on this thread above. Therefore, it's based on circular and fallacious argument which I find to be waste of time.

    Note: No need for additional rebuttal from me... Therefore, my post stands as it is!
     
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    Most people don't know the difference between God's time and man's time.

    God has but 7 Days and Today is the still the 6th Day of Genesis. At the end of this present 6th Creative Day, Heaven will be complete, and all believers will be there. When Heaven is brought to Perfection, God will rest for Eternity, the 7th Day, which has No end.

    Man's time began on the 4th Day and depends on the movements of the Sun, Moon, and Stars. Since God is present, but also beyond this Universe, He is Not subject to the movements of our Stars. Man's time is temporal and will cease when this Universe is burned. God's time is Eternal.

    A good example of this Scriptural Truth is when YHWH - the Son of God - told Adam that he would surely die IN THE DAY he disobeyed his commandment.

    Adam did Not die physically within 24 hours, for he lived to be 930 years old as shown in Gen 5:5. Adam did not die Spiritually because God doesn't make mistakes and those who are born Spiritually are born Eternally.

    Did Satan tell A&E the Truth, and YHWH lie to them? There is only One way the LORD can be right, and that is for Today to be the 6th Day. All mankind has lived and died on the present 6th Day. God will Not rest until His Creation is made Perfect.

    God bless
     
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    Not true, for God said He rested on the seventh day after the six.
     
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    The beginning of our Cosmos is dated at some 13.8 Billion years ago, in man's time, scientifically speaking... BUT was on the 3rd Day of Genesis in God's time.

    BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

    Man was made a living soul in the beginning and lived with YHWH, the Son of God, as his meet, for Billions of years, before, he disobeyed and was made in a perfect body with Shekinah Glory on the 3rd Day. But lost his glory after he disobeyed the 1st commandment of the Lord and sinned on the 6th Day.

    The world of Adam (1st heaven or the garden of Eden) was an enclosed Biosphere much much smaller than our earth, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the waters above and below it - into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8 .

    Adam was physically formed (like a potter would mold a clay) on the 3rd Day, BEFORE the First Stars, which were not made and put forth it’s light until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 - millions of years after the Big Bang. He was BEFORE any other creature brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21. This included the creation of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) originated from the waters some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time.

    In the Day, Adam and his generations were Created spiritually in the image and likeness of God (Gen 1:26-27; 5:1-3) - both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; sent out of the garden of Eden; Cain had already killed Abel. This Creation Event took place during the Seth’ generations; only after Man began to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26).

    Gen 5:1-3
    v1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

    Of course, Cain, who was a Murderer and a Liar from the beginning, was NOT included in the generations of Adam IN THE DAY they were created in the image and likeness of God - Gen 5:1-3 or Born Again, spiritually in Christ.

    Therefore, NOT everybody is created in the image and likeness of God from the beginning or natural birth, unless, one call upon the name of the Lord and Born Again, spiritually in Christ.

    1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

    God bless
     
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    Genesis 1:1 origin of the universe and earth.
    Genesis 1:2 the state of the earth before the 7 days.
    Genesis 1:3-5. Light for the earth. The Sun became a star.
    Genesis 1:14-19. The Sun, Moon and all that is in the sky became visible on earth. On the 4th day.
    Genesis 2:2. The 7th day. Exodus 20:11.
     
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    God wrote the Bible with His terms, not ours. In order to understand One MUST study to show thyself approved unto God.

    The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Gen 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End. Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

    Why others continue to insist and wanted this 7th Day of God (Shabath) to be a 24hrs Day is beyond me and in my opinion, Biblically ignorant.


    The Sabbath was created for us, not for God himself, since, God does not grow tired or need rest. He rested (past tense) as an example to us so that we would rest on the Shabath day, just as he did, ETERNALLY.

    Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it (set apart): because that in it He had rested from ALL His work which God created and made.

    Notice that this verse tells us that God rests from ALL of His work on the 7th Day. IF God had already rested in the past from ALL of His work, it would be too late to become a Christian, since it takes the AGREEMENT of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to CREATE a new creature in Christ Spiritually. Genesis 1:26 AND Jhn 14:16.

    Continue to study and realize that I am edifying The Great Sabbath, the 7th Day, when ALL Christians will cease from our labor on Earth and we will join Jesus for the Age of Joy which will never end because the 7th Day has no evening and no end.

    This explains WHY God used the Hebrew language since it shows that His blessing of this Day is FUTURE, since it is written in Hebrew ImPerfect Tense, which means that the action is not yet complete.

    Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

    God bless
     
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    No one in the bible shared this idea or theory. Why do you think that is?
     
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    Wrong, we have few people subscribe to this Doctrinal Teachings. The fact is, I have provided this thread with what I believe to be the Biblical Truth and support my views with Scripture (setting a side my own ideas or Theory).

    Either you refute my post directly - contrary to what I have posted or claimed - and support your contrasting view with Scripture.... or you might be just as well continue whispering in the wind.

    Below is what Jesus promised us:

    Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

    God bless
     
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    Isa42, has nothing to do with your allegorizing ideas.
     
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    As I have posted before, God wrote the Bible with His terms, not ours. In order to understand One MUST study to show thyself approved unto God.

    2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


    Here are some of the reasons why knowledge of Biblical wisdom and understanding will increase on these last days of ours - based on Biblical prophecy.

    Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

    How could Ancient Men and Archbishop James Ussher, more than 350 years ago, understand that which God hides from ancient people and can only be understood by the people of the last days?

    We live today in the last days as ll Peter 3:3-7 states. The Scriptural fact that the Scoffers of the last days won't believe that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood and that our world will be burned is the proof of their "willing ignorance".


    God has hidden His Truth in order to keep a plain reading from revealing His Truth of Genesis. It's the way God operates.

    Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

    Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.


    God bless
     
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