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Featured GOD’S GRACE “Holy Covenant” With OLD TESTAMENT SAINTS

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Alan Gross, Aug 7, 2019.

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  1. Alan Gross

    Alan Gross Well-Known Member

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    "We are in close agreement. However, those verses include vs. 29-31 which must refer to Jesus coming veiled by clouds, as alluded to in Rev. 1:7, where "earth" is the translation of "GE" which often refers to the "land" of Israel."


    Your Bible Study quest is not over.

    As a 'Model", or 'Theory', or 'Proposal',
    you must attempt to reconcile Matthew's verses 24:29-31*,

    with,

    "One Interpretation.

    "No Double Meaning, or Interpretation of the Passage, or any Prophecy.

    "Nothing to do with Revelation.

    "Nothing prior to Matthew 24:34 having any relevance to "The End Times", or Jesus' Return, at His One and Only Second Coming, in Final Judgment, at The Consummation of The Age, or The Book of Revelation."

    ...

    Here they are:

    Matthew 24:29;

    "
    Immediately after the tribulation of those days

    shall the sun be darkened,

    and the moon shall not give her light,

    and the stars shall fall from heaven,

    and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"


    Matthew 24:30;

    "
    And then shall appear

    the sign of the Son of man in heaven:

    and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,

    and they shall see the Son of man

    coming in the clouds of heaven

    with power and great glory."


    Matthew 24:31;

    "
    And he shall send his angels

    with a great sound of a trumpet,

    and they shall gather together his elect

    from the four winds,

    from one end of heaven to the other".

    ...

    The Bible Study 'Model", or 'Theory', or 'Proposal',
    must attempt to reconcile Matthew's verses 24:29-31,

    ...as having "One Interpretation, "No Double Meaning",
    or "Double Interpretation of the Passage",
    or any "Double Prophecy", &

    "Nothing to do with Revelation", &

    "Nothing that is stated prior to Matthew 24:34
    having any relevance to "The End Times",
    or Jesus' Return, at His One and Only Second Coming,
    in Final Judgment, at The Consummation of The Age,
    or The Book of Revelation."

    ...

    Can you do it?

    The key has been given.

    It is the phase, 'Bible Study',

    ...and, believe it, or not, that 'key' is,

    The 'Bible'.

    ...

    Who can do it?

    Can anybody do it?

    Can you do it?

    ...

    Peace, Peace, Peace.
     
  2. Covenanter

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    Alan, let's answer one question -

    What are "stars" in Revelation?

    See Rev. 1:20 & 2:1
     
  3. Alan Gross

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    Yeah, there's not many people who have given God any consideration for what He Has Written in those verses.

    It's like they got it all figured out and wouldn't even consider evaluating those verses, with references to the other Writings of God(?)

    It's a difficult Passage.

    I don't take a back seat to anyone on it, besides Jesus, living, or dead in body, and Alive Forevermore, and know what it Teaches, now.

    ...

    The 'stars' you asked about are what Jesus Said they are.

    Jesus Gave the Divine Interpretation of 'stars', just like God Gives the Divine Interpretation of Matthew 34:29-31.
     
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    Rev. 1:20 “The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw[fn] are the seven churches.
    2:1 “To the angel of the church of Ephesus write, .......

    Thus the "stars" are messengers . ἄγγελος aggelos (Strong G32) is often used of people as "messenger" in the LXX & NT. e.g. John the baptist & even Jesus -
    Mal. 3:1 “Behold, I send My messenger,
    And he will prepare the way before Me.
    And the Lord, whom you seek,
    Will suddenly come to His temple,
    Even the Messenger of the covenant,
    In whom you delight.
    Behold, He is coming,”


    Mat. 11:10 “For this is he of whom it is written:
    ‘Behold, I send My messenger before Your face,
    Who will prepare Your way before You.'

    Says the LORD of hosts.

    Stars are normally people in prophecy. Remember Joseph's dreams? Thus when we read of the sixth seal -
    Rev. 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind.
    we understand that the rulers & priests of Israel, the barren fig tree, are falling.
    Mal. 2:7 “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge,
    And people should seek the law from his mouth;
    For he is the messenger (ἄγγελος, angel) of the LORD of hosts.
     
  5. Alan Gross

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    You are equating the following, 'stars':

    Rev. 1:20 “The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand,... "


    Rev. 6:13" And the stars of heaven... "

    ... how?

    That can't be done.

    Even by throwing a Fig Tree into the middle of them...
     
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