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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by KenH, Apr 15, 2024.

  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    GOD GIVEN FAITH

    Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    The faith of God's elect is a gracious, God given revelation of who he is and what he has accomplished in their place, in the obedience unto death of Christ. It is knowing him, as he is and knowing how his satisfactory work before God the Father pertains to us.

    John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

    As such, faith can never be something that is organic in every man if only he would, by his free will, exercise it. Faith is a precious, God given gift whereby God calls his sheep. Not one of them will ever be lost, for Christ has redeemed them and is currently seated at the right hand of the Father as their everlasting surety. His righteousness is their eternal, everlasting righteousness. They are accepted, in the Beloved and they know this through God given faith.

    1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

    Psalms 118:23 This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.

    - by Kenny Dyess, via his Facebook page
     
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    Why do you post comments like this that just prove the person does not possess basic comprehension?
     
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    To proclaim the gospel of Christ.
     
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    Faith is trusting in the revelation of Who He is and what He has done for us and will do for those that freely trust in Him.
     
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    1 John 5:10, He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
     
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    Yes, freely.

    Psalms 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, In the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: Thou hast the dew of thy youth.
     
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    The fact that you overlook context is your downfall.

    Yes in the day of His power when He returns in power and glory all the world will freely trust in Him. But that is not now is it. That is why we have the gospel message and the various means that God uses to draw people to Himself. Those that freely trust in Him will be saved those that reject Him will be lost.

    That you continue to deny the truth of scripture is obvious. Why God would decree that you follow a false path is a mystery but perhaps it is so that you will be humble when He does allow you to know the truth.

    That's the problem with your deterministic view, you can't even say it is something that you believe as every though you have has been determined for you so you have no way of knowing if what you believe is actually the truth or not.
     
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    Actually, I can. God opens the heart of His elect to the gospel and gives to them the understanding of the gospel of Christ.

    Acts 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.
     
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    You wrote, "all the world." Are you saying that you are a universalist and believe that everyone who has ever lived will be saved?
     
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    Absolutely, Freely.

    Psalms 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, In the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: Thou hast the dew of thy youth.
     
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    Yes, God uses the gospel of Christ to effectually call His elect.
     
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    It when it is a day when He effectually calls one of His elect through the preaching of the gospel of Christ.
     
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    There is no problem with the sovereignty of the Creator of the universe. God is sovereign; man is responsible.

    When one of God's elect believes, that elect person is the one actually believing. God is not the one believing. God is the cause and the power for the elect person believing.
     
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    Then you are denying the basis of your theology, determinism.
     
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    Not all will be saved as those that are saved have to actually trust in God.

    But have you not read Revelation 5:13 or Revelation 7:12?
     
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    You really do need to start reading verses in context.

    The day of His power is when He returns in power and glory at the close of history when God makes Christ's enemies His footstool. If you had bothered to actually read the Psalm you would know this.

    Those that have freely trusted in Him.
     
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    But if they were elect before the foundation of the world as your theology would have it there would be no gospel message and in fact there would be no people to hear the mesage.

    Since one is only elect when they are in Christ God uses the gospel and other means to call man to Him and those that respond in faith then become the elect.
     
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    But your theology says the elect were chosen before the foundation of the world. Was the gospel preached then and if so to whom?
     
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    Yes God is sovereign, so why do you want to limit His sovereignty? If man has no actual free will since your version of God has to determine all that happens then how can man be responsible. Can man over rule the decrees of God?

    So if God is the power and the cause of man believing and God desires all to be saved then why are not all men saved?

    How can your "elect person" believe and be responsible if they need God's power to cause them to believe?

    Your theology is very confusing. Your version of God decrees all things but not really all things. He causes man to believe and even though He wants all to be saved He can't save everyone and yet you say He is sovereign. Do you have a different meaning for sovereign?

    You really need to explain your theology better as it really is quite illogical.
     
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    No, I am not.
     
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