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God & Sin

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Gershom, Dec 14, 2006.

  1. Gershom

    Gershom New Member

    Apr 2, 2004
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    Can God look upon sin?

  2. psalms109:31

    psalms109:31 New Member

    Jun 5, 2006
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    Psalm 22:24
    For he has not despised or disdained the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help.

    Isaiah 59
    Sin, Confession and Redemption
    1 Surely the arm of the LORD is not too short to save,
    nor his ear too dull to hear.

    2 But your iniquities have separated
    you from your God;
    your sins have hidden his face from you,
    so that he will not hear.

    Isaiah 59
    Sin, Confession and Redemption
    1 Surely the arm of the LORD is not too short to save,
    nor his ear too dull to hear.

    2 But your iniquities have separated
    you from your God;
    your sins have hidden his face from you,
    so that he will not hear.

    3 For your hands are stained with blood,
    your fingers with guilt.
    Your lips have spoken lies,
    and your tongue mutters wicked things.

    4 No one calls for justice;
    no one pleads his case with integrity.
    They rely on empty arguments and speak lies;
    they conceive trouble and give birth to evil.

    5 They hatch the eggs of vipers
    and spin a spider's web.
    Whoever eats their eggs will die,
    and when one is broken, an adder is hatched.

    6 Their cobwebs are useless for clothing;
    they cannot cover themselves with what they make.
    Their deeds are evil deeds,
    and acts of violence are in their hands.

    7 Their feet rush into sin;
    they are swift to shed innocent blood.
    Their thoughts are evil thoughts;
    ruin and destruction mark their ways.

    8 The way of peace they do not know;
    there is no justice in their paths.
    They have turned them into crooked roads;
    no one who walks in them will know peace.

    9 So justice is far from us,
    and righteousness does not reach us.
    We look for light, but all is darkness;
    for brightness, but we walk in deep shadows.

    10 Like the blind we grope along the wall,
    feeling our way like men without eyes.
    At midday we stumble as if it were twilight;
    among the strong, we are like the dead.

    11 We all growl like bears;
    we moan mournfully like doves.
    We look for justice, but find none;
    for deliverance, but it is far away.

    12 For our offenses are many in your sight,
    and our sins testify against us.
    Our offenses are ever with us,
    and we acknowledge our iniquities:

    13 rebellion and treachery against the LORD,
    turning our backs on our God,
    fomenting oppression and revolt,
    uttering lies our hearts have conceived.

    14 So justice is driven back,
    and righteousness stands at a distance;
    truth has stumbled in the streets,
    honesty cannot enter.

    15 Truth is nowhere to be found,
    and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey.
    The LORD looked and was displeased
    that there was no justice.

    16 He saw that there was no one,
    he was appalled that there was no one to intervene;
    so his own arm worked salvation for him,
    and his own righteousness sustained him.

    17 He put on righteousness as his breastplate,
    and the helmet of salvation on his head;
    he put on the garments of vengeance
    and wrapped himself in zeal as in a cloak.

    18 According to what they have done,
    so will he repay
    wrath to his enemies
    and retribution to his foes;
    he will repay the islands their due.

    19 From the west, men will fear the name of the LORD,
    and from the rising of the sun, they will revere his glory.
    For he will come like a pent-up flood
    that the breath of the LORD drives along. [Or When the enemy comes in like a flood, / the Spirit of the LORD will put him to flight]

    20 "The Redeemer will come to Zion,
    to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,"
    declares the LORD.

    21 "As for me, this is my covenant with them," says the LORD. "My Spirit, who is on you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will not depart from your mouth, or from the mouths of your children, or from the mouths of their descendants from this time on and forever," says the LORD.

    Isaiah 60
    The Glory of Zion
    1 "Arise, shine, for your light has come,
    and the glory of the LORD rises upon you.

    2 See, darkness covers the earth
    and thick darkness is over the peoples,
    but the LORD rises upon you
    and his glory appears over you.

    3 Nations will come to your light,
    and kings to the brightness of your dawn.

    4 "Lift up your eyes and look about you:
    All assemble and come to you;
    your sons come from afar,
    and your daughters are carried on the arm.

    5 Then you will look and be radiant,
    your heart will throb and swell with joy;
    the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
    to you the riches of the nations will come.

    6 Herds of camels will cover your land,
    young camels of Midian and Ephah.
    And all from Sheba will come,
    bearing gold and incense
    and proclaiming the praise of the LORD.

    7 All Kedar's flocks will be gathered to you,
    the rams of Nebaioth will serve you;
    they will be accepted as offerings on my altar,
    and I will adorn my glorious temple.

    8 "Who are these that fly along like clouds,
    like doves to their nests?

    9 Surely the islands look to me;
    in the lead are the ships of Tarshish, [Or the trading ships]
    bringing your sons from afar,
    with their silver and gold,
    to the honor of the LORD your God,
    the Holy One of Israel,
    for he has endowed you with splendor.

    10 "Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
    and their kings will serve you.
    Though in anger I struck you,
    in favor I will show you compassion.

    11 Your gates will always stand open,
    they will never be shut, day or night,
    so that men may bring you the wealth of the nations—
    their kings led in triumphal procession.

    12 For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
    it will be utterly ruined.

    13 "The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
    the pine, the fir and the cypress together,
    to adorn the place of my sanctuary;
    and I will glorify the place of my feet.

    14 The sons of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
    all who despise you will bow down at your feet
    and will call you the City of the LORD,
    Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

    15 "Although you have been forsaken and hated,
    with no one traveling through,
    I will make you the everlasting pride
    and the joy of all generations.

    16 You will drink the milk of nations
    and be nursed at royal breasts.
    Then you will know that I, the LORD, am your Savior,
    your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.

    17 Instead of bronze I will bring you gold,
    and silver in place of iron.
    Instead of wood I will bring you bronze,
    and iron in place of stones.
    I will make peace your governor
    and righteousness your ruler.

    18 No longer will violence be heard in your land,
    nor ruin or destruction within your borders,
    but you will call your walls Salvation
    and your gates Praise.

    19 The sun will no more be your light by day,
    nor will the brightness of the moon shine on you,
    for the LORD will be your everlasting light,
    and your God will be your glory.

    20 Your sun will never set again,
    and your moon will wane no more;
    the LORD will be your everlasting light,
    and your days of sorrow will end.

    21 Then will all your people be righteous
    and they will possess the land forever.
    They are the shoot I have planted,
    the work of my hands,
    for the display of my splendor.

    22 The least of you will become a thousand,
    the smallest a mighty nation.
    I am the LORD;
    in its time I will do this swiftly."
  3. psalms109:31

    psalms109:31 New Member

    Jun 5, 2006
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    Isaiah 64

    1 Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down,
    that the mountains would tremble before you!

    2 As when fire sets twigs ablaze
    and causes water to boil,
    come down to make your name known to your enemies
    and cause the nations to quake before you!

    3 For when you did awesome things that we did not expect,
    you came down, and the mountains trembled before you.

    4 Since ancient times no one has heard,
    no ear has perceived,
    no eye has seen any God besides you,
    who acts on behalf of those who wait for him.

    5 You come to the help of those who gladly do right,
    who remember your ways.
    But when we continued to sin against them,
    you were angry.
    How then can we be saved?

    6 All of us have become like one who is unclean,
    and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
    we all shrivel up like a leaf,
    and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

    7 No one calls on your name
    or strives to lay hold of you;
    for you have hidden your face from us
    and made us waste away because of our sins.

    8 Yet, O LORD, you are our Father.
    We are the clay, you are the potter;
    we are all the work of your hand.

    9 Do not be angry beyond measure, O LORD;
    do not remember our sins forever.
    Oh, look upon us, we pray,
    for we are all your people.

    10 Your sacred cities have become a desert;
    even Zion is a desert, Jerusalem a desolation.

    11 Our holy and glorious temple, where our fathers praised you,
    has been burned with fire,
    and all that we treasured lies in ruins.

    12 After all this, O LORD, will you hold yourself back?
    Will you keep silent and punish us beyond measure?

    Isaiah 65
    Judgment and Salvation
    1 "I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me;
    I was found by those who did not seek me.
    To a nation that did not call on my name,
    I said, 'Here am I, here am I.'

    2 All day long I have held out my hands
    to an obstinate people,
    who walk in ways not good,
    pursuing their own imaginations-

    3 a people who continually provoke me
    to my very face,
    offering sacrifices in gardens
    and burning incense on altars of brick;

    4 who sit among the graves
    and spend their nights keeping secret vigil;
    who eat the flesh of pigs,
    and whose pots hold broth of unclean meat;

    5 who say, 'Keep away; don't come near me,
    for I am too sacred for you!'
    Such people are smoke in my nostrils,
    a fire that keeps burning all day.

    6 "See, it stands written before me:
    I will not keep silent but will pay back in full;
    I will pay it back into their laps-

    7 both your sins and the sins of your fathers,"
    says the LORD.
    "Because they burned sacrifices on the mountains
    and defied me on the hills,
    I will measure into their laps
    the full payment for their former deeds."

    8 This is what the LORD says:
    "As when juice is still found in a cluster of grapes
    and men say, 'Don't destroy it,
    there is yet some good in it,'
    so will I do in behalf of my servants;
    I will not destroy them all.

    9 I will bring forth descendants from Jacob,
    and from Judah those who will possess my mountains;
    my chosen people will inherit them,
    and there will my servants live.

    10 Sharon will become a pasture for flocks,
    and the Valley of Achor a resting place for herds,
    for my people who seek me.

    11 "But as for you who forsake the LORD
    and forget my holy mountain,
    who spread a table for Fortune
    and fill bowls of mixed wine for Destiny,

    12 I will destine you for the sword,
    and you will all bend down for the slaughter;
    for I called but you did not answer,
    I spoke but you did not listen.
    You did evil in my sight
    and chose what displeases me."

    13 Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says:
    "My servants will eat,
    but you will go hungry;
    my servants will drink,
    but you will go thirsty;
    my servants will rejoice,
    but you will be put to shame.

    14 My servants will sing
    out of the joy of their hearts,
    but you will cry out
    from anguish of heart
    and wail in brokenness of spirit.

    15 You will leave your name
    to my chosen ones as a curse;
    the Sovereign LORD will put you to death,
    but to his servants he will give another name.

    16 Whoever invokes a blessing in the land
    will do so by the God of truth;
    he who takes an oath in the land
    will swear by the God of truth.
    For the past troubles will be forgotten
    and hidden from my eyes.
    New Heavens and a New Earth
    17 "Behold, I will create
    new heavens and a new earth.
    The former things will not be remembered,
    nor will they come to mind.

    18 But be glad and rejoice forever
    in what I will create,
    for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
    and its people a joy.

    19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
    and take delight in my people;
    the sound of weeping and of crying
    will be heard in it no more.

    20 "Never again will there be in it
    an infant who lives but a few days,
    or an old man who does not live out his years;
    he who dies at a hundred
    will be thought a mere youth;
    he who fails to reach [Or / the sinner who reaches] a hundred
    will be considered accursed.

    21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
    they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.

    22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
    or plant and others eat.
    For as the days of a tree,
    so will be the days of my people;
    my chosen ones will long enjoy
    the works of their hands.

    23 They will not toil in vain
    or bear children doomed to misfortune;
    for they will be a people blessed by the LORD,
    they and their descendants with them.

    24 Before they call I will answer;
    while they are still speaking I will hear.

    25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
    and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
    but dust will be the serpent's food.
    They will neither harm nor destroy
    on all my holy mountain,"
    says the LORD.
  4. Humblesmith

    Humblesmith New Member

    Mar 11, 2005
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    Well, I take the terms "look upon" to be an anthropomorphism........such as like saying "the walls have ears." God doesn't have eyes, ears, a nose, or wings. So all the verses that speak of his nostrils, his hearing, and his wings are some sort of anthropomorphism.

    God knows everything; there's nothing he does not know, and nothing he has to go search out to learn. So he knows about all sin, even the worst kind. He speaks with Satan, so he has sin in his awareness. He must stay separate from sin, therefore he allows sinners to separate from him if they want to.
  5. Gershom

    Gershom New Member

    Apr 2, 2004
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    Many preachers say God turned His back while Jesus hung on the cross because God cannot look upon sin.
  6. Gershom

    Gershom New Member

    Apr 2, 2004
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    Maybe I should have found a way to metntion Rick Warren in th title, then there may have been more interest.