Good Verses Evil Men

You prove that you are willing to attack anyone if they do not agree with your discredited ideas. I challenge you to quote anything which he wrote where he ever said that "works" were necessary for being justified before God.

Matthew Henry made the following remarks in order to prove that James was not saying that "works" were necessary for salvation:

"Paul speaks of justification in the sight of God, who justifies those only that believe in Jesus, and purely on account of the redemption that is in him. Thus we see that our persons are justified before God by faith, but our faith is justified before men by works" (Matthew Henry, Commentary on James 2).

You have no respect for anything except for your discredited ideas. No one who disagrees with you is safe from your vicious attacks and misrepresention.

 

A.W. Pink, a well known Calvinist writer of the twentieth century, wrote that "there can be no point of contact between God and His Christ with a sinful man until he is regenerated. There can be no lawful union between two parties who have nothing vital in common. A superior and an inferior nature may be united together, but never contrary natures" (A.W. Pink, Regeneration or the New Birth, Chapter 1).

Of course Pink is correct as witnessed by the following words of the Apostle Paul:

"For what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness?" (2 Cor.6:14).

Pink says, "there can be no point of contact between God and His Christ with a sinful man until he is regenerated." However, according to your view the Holy Spirit came in contact with John the Baptist while he remained spiritually dead in sin and a child of wrath!

 

Not much time today, I am afraid, but I would ask that it be shown from James two where the context does not speak of the temporal life and the deeds done in it.


James 2

8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.


When and where is the "royal law" fulfilled?



Ephesians 6

King James Version (KJV)

1Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

2Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;

3That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.





Hebrews 10:1-4

King James Version (KJV)

1For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.


While it will probably be debated from now til the end of this age how a man is justified, there is no question that apart from from the sacrifice of Christ man's salvation cannot be made complete.

Justification is through Christ alone...apart from the law.

That cannot be argued.

(well, it can be, just not in light of scripture)

God bless.

 

Where did I misquote? Oh, shame on me I forgot the quotation marks. I assumed the separating hyphen and the bold print would show that I was using a portion of your previous post. :flower:

Jesus clearly stated that none was good except God alone. He is the standard by which all goodness is measured. John was not good absent the presence of the Holy Spirit. Children are not good absent the presence of the Holy Spirit. We might be decent and moral from a worldly perspective but not good from God's point of view.

There is not one single word in Scripture that calls any human good absent from God.

And speaking of Abraham.... He was not justified by his act. He was justified because he believed God.

Romans 4:1-3 NAS77
1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found?
2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God.
3 For what does the Scripture say? "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS."

 

If we believe ourselves to be born again then the answer has to be yes. A child in the womb is a mystery to us but not to God who formed us (Psalm 139). What difference does it make if He redeems John in the womb or a 60 year-old face down in a gutter? That is God's business. What did Jesus say to Nicodemus?

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
John 3:8 KJV


John Gill comments on this verse: "For ought any mortal can say, or do to the contrary: and so the Spirit of God is a free agent in regeneration; he works how, and where, and when he pleases; he acts freely in the first operation of his grace on the heart, and in all after influences of it; as well as in the donation of his gifts to men, for different purposes..."

I will not question the how, why and when of God's work but will rejoice that He will redeem all of His elect. :thumbsup:

 

This is the only thing that does not try to require me to supply more, rather than addressing what was stated, but, good job! Before long, we will have you quoting what is actually said by others, as well as answering.

I'm proud of you, HP.

I will also say, yes, this is your lucky day, I am out of time, and have busied myself with irritating other members...lol.

You can indeed post many verses stating the "requirements of salvation," to which I would respond by showing that God Himself makes man able to carry out those requirements.

From the very word which He utilizes to bring repentance (which did not come from man, therefore cannot be ascribed to Him), to the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment (which he could not repent apart from), to the very Christ, that gave Himself for, not our sins...but our sin.

For if salvation relied upon one deed of man, or is nullified by one act of sin (for to beguilty of one is to be guilty of the whole law), then w might be able to say that man can be righteous, and have life...apart from God.

God bless.

 

Hope all have a great weekend, and a blessed service tomorrow.

God bless.

 

I was supposed to move furniture, but was granted a reprieve...so I'm back for a bit.

Though, I decided that since most of this is the same argument regurgitated, I would go irritate someone else...lol.

Hard for me to pass up a Rapture discussion.

Of course...you do believe in a pre-trib rapture, don't you HP?

lol

 

Its a doctrine held by some that there will be a resurrection that takes place before the Tribulation.

lol

I think I liked "How's that Darrell" better. Much funnier.

Okay, really getting out of everybody's hair this time. Enjoyed it thoroughly,

God bless.

 

Yes, but we also know that the "gospel" is an integral part of being born again:

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God...and this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you" (1 Pet.1:23,25).

Being born again speaks of passing from spiritual death unto spiritual life and here the Lord Jesus tells us how a sinner receives that life:

"It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life" (Jn.6:63).

We also know that this "life" comes as a result of BELIEVING the good new of Jesus Christ, as witnessed by the words of the Apostle John here:

"Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" (Jn.20:30-31).

So the Calvinists are wrong when they say that regeneration precedes faith. No one is regenerated until they believe.

 

What good works did the thief on the cross do?