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Featured GOP can hang it up for 2016

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Zaac, Dec 9, 2015.

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  1. kyredneck

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    I've no doubt the 'Jewish GOP establishment' will turn traitor because they're RINO anyway:

    Donald Trump's Rise Sparks Widespread Angst Among Jewish Republicans

    ...but they don't dominate the Republican party as they do the Democrat party, yet. Another ten years they most likely will.
     
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    The motive is cheap labor. The leading GOP donor--some rich guy--has said that he will support Clinton over Trump. If Trump wins and shuts down the border, the endless supply of cheap labor is destroyed.
     
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    CMG, the rabbit hole goes much deeper than just one donor and one issue. But it's the Jews who have the real problem with Trump with immigration the big issue, along with the fact that they won't be able to influence him because there'll be no strings attached. It's really very simple.
     
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    It's also all about a bunch of BILLIONAIRES vying for power, Trump being one of them. :)
     
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    Sounds like more speculation. But while we're speculating, I'll agree that he won't be the nominee because he's gonna get mad at what the other candidates and the establishment are doing to make sure he's not the nominee and run as an Independent. He knows right now that there is no reason why he shouldn't be the nominee unless someone does something to block it. He's destroying the rest of the candidates in the polls. The only way they catch him is if they gang up on him. And he ALREADY expects them to do so. Have you not been hearing about his tweets? "Try me" he told them.
     
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    A prediction. ;)
     
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    For the record: I identify as a conservative independent. Hillary is a bad choice. But if Trump actually gets a presidential nomination, whether republican or independent, I'm done with American politics.

    To have the American people first vote in Obama, then to actually try to make Trump president...well, I don't have the words.
     
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    Agreed, Trump is pretty much a caricature of how the rest of the world sees us. The GOP will have the opportunity for a candidate to knock him off the mountain and when that happens they will most likely be able to refocus the party towards the Presidency and from a position of strength. I just wish it would happen sooner rather than later because I feel like they are wasting time right now.
     
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    Trump grows more and more popular with the base who feel betrayed by the Washington DC GOP elite. Although Trump may lose Iowa, he still looks good to win New Hampshire. However it is just too soon to say but Trump seems to be the choice to make America great again and to keep us secure from terrorism.
     
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    Trump will have the same exact problem Obama does: cooperation with the Senate and the House. He's already on the "bad list" with most of them; what makes you think he'll be able to pull them together, get them to work with him, to accomplish positive outcomes?
     
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    What exactly do you think Trump is gonna do to make America great again?

    And frankly, I think his mouth would do just the opposite of keeping us secure. I grow more disgusted with conservatives everyday who are even considering supporting that man.
     
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    Gridlock! ...tis a good thing! I dread the thought of a neocon POTUS coupled with a Republican congress. Look what the idiot Bush did.
     
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    It's not the writing on the wall that counts. It is the ballots in the ballot box. :)
     
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    Reasons to avoid Trump like the plague?

    1. No political experience. A new convert can't be pope his first year. Trump's financial behavior has not always been successful, and in fact he's been through bankruptcy and openly admits manipulating bankruptcy laws to enrich himself at the expense of society and other people, so that he protects himself from risk by getting governments and banks to shoulder more of the burden and let him off the hook more cheaply -- lack of adequate responsibility, coupled with repeated failures on a large scale, plus actual broad lack of experience on Wall Street and with stocks, adds up to undermine his reputation as bringing good financial experience and expertise to the presidency.

    2. No specific solutions for our problems, just meaningless rhetoric. He is impulsive and more interested in self-promotion than necessarily accomplishing significant goals -- even his finances are geared heavily toward promoting his personal brand and making him more money in order to further self-promote, with much of his behavior in public seeming largely motivated by garnering attention.

    3. His business practices have ridden way to close to the ethical/legal edge for me to have much confidence in him. Trump has been repeatedly accused of being untrustworthy, by investors and buyers as well as others, and some of the accusations include allegations of fraud -- lack of trust and concern about corruption are major problems for a presidential candidate.

    5. No understanding of foreign policy issues. He surrounds himself with "yes men", so he doesn't have experience building a team designed for purposes other than promoting his own narrow agenda and providing information that might be in contrast to his own position and goals.

    6. He is prone to embrace uninformed positions that turn into major embarrassments for him -- his promotion of the "Obama isn't a U.S. citizen" myth, his promotion of the anti-vaccination myths, and repeated comments that give the appearance (correct or not) that he doesn't check facts or stay informed about serious issues.
     
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    Right now the top GOP donor is Sheldon Adelson and he has never said any such thing. :)
     
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    Last I read concerning Adelson he was close to casting his lot in with Rubio.

    Wonder if he'll bail and go with Hillary if Trump gets the nomination?
     
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    Are you kidding? They are in the same business: Hotels/Casinos. It would be like having his brother in the White House! :D :D
     
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    May be so with Adelson, but the RINOs fell out with Trump a while back:

    Trump Loses “Right Wing” Jewish Lobby with Latest Comments on Iraq and Syria

    "...Trump shocked the Jewish lobby by admitting that the United States has “screwed up the Middle East so badly,” and that by “breaking up Iraq, we have so destabilized the Middle East.”

    The neocons don't want that truth to be told.

    ...but it appears like this 'epiphany' may be catching on with other GOP candidates:

    Ted Cruz says Middle East was safer with Saddam Hussein: ‘That’s not even a close call’
     
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    How do you know that? Unless all the polling is wrong, he is the person to beat. Trump has more support than the Rubio, Carson, and Cruz combined and time is running out. Are you thinking he is going to have a Rudy-like collapse? Rudy was off the radar by this point, though.

    Or more like Dean? That's the thing, he has had Dean screams repeatedly, and the MSM didn't turn on Howard until that debacle. They turned on Trump a long, long time ago.

    I know that there's a theory that the GOPe will "manipulate" the delegates and the rules to get somebody they want, like Rubio in there but that will be impossible if Trump does well enough in the primaries. There are no superdelegates in this party and/or party bosses deciding the nominees in smoky backrooms. The RNC are throwing a lot of money at Jeb, Chrissy, and Marco but it's a waste so far. Heard JEB! wants them all out, except for Trump because he thinks he can beat him heads up. Think again.
     
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    I will try to find the link but I did read that the richest man in Florida said that he would support honest Hillary over Trump.

    Mike Fernandez?
     
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