Hate vs Disagreement

[JamieinNH]

In another thread that has been closed I said this, and didn't get a chance to respond to your statement.

Your apparent hate for a man is unbelievable. You can dislike his policies, and what he stands for, but when you start hating the man like you do it becomes very unChristlike.

The man I do not hate, you and the rest that swoon over this man may think that but God is my judge not you.

First things first, I don't and have never "swooned" over Obama... Please be sure to keep up with MY stance before you make such off the top statements...

It is true God is your Judge, but your actions, tone and posts show a lot about you. It might not be hate, but it sure is brewing....

* I hate the syrupy accolades of worship given to this man.

Then dislike the pratices of those people... Not everyone that likes Obama is "worshipping" him.

* I hate the policies that award those that do not do the right thing, like paying their bills. I have made every mortgage payment for the last 30 years.

I happen to agree with you, but I also didn;t like it when Bush did it. Did you mention even once about the $750 Billion Bush wanted and got?

* I hate the 800 Billion that will enslave my children and their children.

Refer to the question above... When it was Bush's game, why didn't you beat your drum then?

* I hate the fact that hyper inflation is sure to follow such foolish physical policy.

This started long before Obama came into office... We had a massive debt before hand... why the need to cry about it now? Where were you two years ago?

* I hate the fact that this man has allowed the death of live, born, babies.

Again, I agree with you. I don't like his policies at all on this, but that won't make me hate him... oh, that's right you don't 'hate' him...

* I hate that he and his party will make it easier to slaughter the unborn.

Refer again to the response above... Of course, if the GOP had put someone up that was *really* better for this country, then people like myself wouldn't have voted third party...

* I hate that he and his party will make make it very vogue to be anything but heterosexual.

Being from that background, I don't really hate or care what the laws are. The Holy Spirit will convict people's hearts. The law isn't the thing we should focus on, it's the preaching and teaching of the Word and let the Holy Spirit go it's job.

* I hate the fact that Christians are in with this ungodliness.

You see it that way, I see it that he won, he is my President, and I know God is in control. Why second guess God, let's see what he has in store for us.

This is very Christ like to hate these things. We are to hate them. If we do not hate these things it shows exactly whom we serve.

Your word is things.... I agree with you, it's the things we should be concerned with, not the person... One can disagree with policies without hating the person..

 

[Revmitchell]

Bro. I do not see anything posted in that thread that justifies saying he "hates" Obama. It seems any criticism of Obama gets turned into an accusation of hate. You are welcome to do that but it is not legitimate.

 

[JamieinNH]

Bro. I do not see anything posted in that thread that justifies saying he "hates" Obama. It seems any criticism of Obama gets turned into an accusation of hate. You are welcome to do that but it is not legitimate.

I am not talking about this one thread in and of itself. I am looking at the threads posted by this user for some time now... It adds up in my mind to hate or at the very least the brewing of hate...

Also, You can't use the "any criticism of Obama..." approach since I don't like a lot of his policies.

I see a man (several people on this forum) that brew of hate for Obama and not his policies. I believe that's a bad place to be and called it like I see it so it is legitimate even if you say it isn't.

 

[Jim1999]

I started a thread that got cut short to offer a little praise to America where it concerned your president......it turned into a hate campaign.....I had to duck the hurled shoe!

I now know better than to compliment an American again!

Cheers,

Jim

 

[hillclimber1]

I hate no one. I hate the sins and anti-freedom some people stand for... The homosexual is a prime example... I desire each one to come to Christ, and would and do help in that endeavor... The sin they practice and promote, I loath.

I very strongly desire for President Obama's (and his family) salvation... I loath his policies, and our people's completely unreasoned vote, facilitating his unbelievable ascendancy to the Presidency. I detest his socialist stance, and the destruction he is bringing on us.... But I pray for him and the homo's often...

 

[JamieinNH]

I hate no one. I hate the sins and anti-freedom some people stand for... The homosexual is a prime example... I desire each one to come to Christ, and would and do help in that endeavor... The sin they practice and promote, I loath.

I very strongly desire for President Obama's (and his family) salvation... I loath his policies, and our people's completely unreasoned vote, facilitating his unbelievable ascendancy to the Presidency. I detest his socialist stance, and the destruction he is bringing on us.... But I pray for him and the homo's often...

And in with that stance you have, you can see from your posts that you don't agree with his policies, but it doesn't come across as hate.

In other user's posts it just reaks of hate of the man and his policies. They can claim they don't hate him, but their actions/posts sure do speak louder than anything....

 

[Revmitchell]

I am not talking about this one thread in and of itself. I am looking at the threads posted by this user for some time now... It adds up in my mind to hate or at the very least the brewing of hate...

Also, You can't use the "any criticism of Obama..." approach since I don't like a lot of his policies.

I see a man (several people on this forum) that brew of hate for Obama and not his policies. I believe that's a bad place to be and called it like I see it so it is legitimate even if you say it isn't.

No doubt there are hate for his policies. The slaughter of unborn children will always be the driving force behind much animosity toward Obama. As will his socialist policies. And my reference of any criticism of Obama is as you say an overall view I see but of more than one person.

 

[JamieinNH]

I started a thread that got cut short to offer a little praise to America where it concerned your president......it turned into a hate campaign.....I had to duck the hurled shoe!

I now know better than to compliment an American again!

Cheers,

Jim

Excellent example Jim,

I saw that thread you started, it was meant to be a good thread, but some users let their hate get the best of them and the thread turned south quickly.

Whatever happen to the trust we are to have in God. What happened to the knowledge that God sets up Kings and brings them down?

I guess the root question is do we believe God is in control or not. If he is, then Obama is who we're suppose to have. If we don't believe God is in control, then I think we would spend less time on the BB and more time in the Bible.

Thanks for the great example of what I was talking about.

 

[Palatka51]

I am not talking about this one thread in and of itself. I am looking at the threads posted by this user for some time now... It adds up in my mind to hate or at the very least the brewing of hate...

Also, You can't use the "any criticism of Obama..." approach since I don't like a lot of his policies.

I see a man (several people on this forum) that brew of hate for Obama and not his policies. I believe that's a bad place to be and called it like I see it so it is legitimate even if you say it isn't.

So, when they start arresting people like me that post a word or two that implies I "hate" the policies of the left and our President, I can't expect a character reference from you then.

Sweet!! :laugh:

 

[JamieinNH]

So, when they start arresting people like me that post a word or two that implies I "hate" the policies of the left and our President, I can't expect a character reference from you then.

Sweet!! :laugh:

I see some people are willing to see that they may have crossed the line and others, well....

A word or two? Imply? You do more than stand against the policies. There are many of us here on this board that do that, without the hate attached to it.

It doesn't matter that you're not willing to engage in a discussion that your post may have crossed the line, but it is open for the general public to see.

 

[Palatka51]

Excellent example Jim,

I saw that thread you started, it was meant to be a good thread, but some users let their hate get the best of them and the thread turned south quickly.

Whatever happen to the trust we are to have in God. What happened to the knowledge that God sets up Kings and brings them down?

I guess the root question is do we believe God is in control or not. If he is, then Obama is who we're suppose to have. If we don't believe God is in control, then I think we would spend less time on the BB and more time in the Bible.

Thanks for the great example of what I was talking about.

Actually the hate card was played by you. In fact I am detecting no love from you what so ever. So I can assume from your posts that you are hating me. So by scripture I am to love you.

How do I show love to one that is on the other side of a computer screen?

Do I post something that exudes a fondness to a man that wants to implement policy that to my opinion is detrimental to a free society? Sorry, to disappoint you but that is just not going to happen.

So maybe this

will help.

Ahhhhh, I feel better already.

 

[JamieinNH]

Actually the hate card was played by you. In fact I am detecting no love from you what so ever. So I can assume from your posts that you are hating me. So by scripture I am to love you.

You may believe that if you will, but my posts and nature on this board will prove otherwise.

I posted started this thread because the thread we were in got closed. If I didn't care for you like a brother in Christ than I wouldn't care what or how you presented yourself.

My concern is we have non believers and lurkers here on this board and our actions, and posts speak louder than we think at times. Politics get the best of us at times and we all say and do things we might not even notice.

I called it the way I saw it and you have taken offense to it. There is nothing more I can do.

You say I started the hate but that just isn't true. Your statement is only a way of deferring it from yourself back to me.

How do I show love to one that is on the other side of a computer screen?

Do I post something that exudes a fondness to a man that wants to implement policy that to my opinion is detrimental to a free society? Sorry, to disappoint you but that is just not going to happen.

So maybe this

will help.

Ahhhhh, I feel better already.

Hum.. a nice attempt at humor... It's a start I suppose... between that and prayer maybe you will come around. :thumbsup:

 

[Palatka51]

Hum.. a nice attempt at humor... It's a start I suppose... between that and prayer maybe you will come around.

Come around to what?

A liberal view that we can tax and spend our way out of this recession? Not a chance!

To a mind set that it is alright to turn your head while the blood of innocent infants flows out of the abortion mills into the streets, just as long as we are doing something about the economy? Keep praying, my God does not support such things nor does He honor those that turn their heads.

 

[JamieinNH]

Come around to what?

Your mind is to cloudy you can't even see what I am talking about..

A liberal view that we can tax and spend our way out of this recession? Not a chance!

Do you think I am a liberal?

To a mind set that it is alright to turn your head while the blood of innocent infants flows out of the abortion mills into the streets, just as long as we are doing something about the economy? Keep praying, my God does not support such things nor does He honor those that turn their heads.

That's quite a mouth full... the only problem is again your mind is so cloudy you can't even see that I don't support Obama or abortion.

I DO however support the notion that someone like yourself can get so tied up in politics that is takes you down the road of hate without you really understanding it.

For you to think I am a liberal or I support Obama or abortion is clearly an example of how you can't see the forest for the trees.

I will pray for you though, not to become more liberal or to approve of Obama or abortion, but to have a clear mind and understand there is a different between disagreeing with a policy and the hate of a man.

 

[Revmitchell]

Jaimie he has has not assigned any of that to you.

 

[Palatka51]

I will pray for you though, not to become more liberal or to approve of Obama or abortion, but to have a clear mind and understand there is a different between disagreeing with a policy and the hate of a man.

You are so wrong. Think what you wish and pray all you want, I do not nor have I ever stated that I hate our President. What is beyond my understanding is just why you are fixated on me?

 

[JamieinNH]

Jaimie he has has not assigned any of that to you.

He may not have "assigned" it directly to me, but he sure attempted to make a case that I was trying to get him to "come around to...." to those views.

In other words, he made it seem like I was trying to pull him in a direct I was already in, which I won't and I am not.

I can see that this isn't going to go anywhere, so it's best left alone I suppose. I got concerned by the hate I was reading into it.

I will drop this, but will continue to pray.

 

[JamieinNH]

You are so wrong. Think what you wish and pray all you want, I do not nor have I ever stated that I hate our President. What is beyond my understanding is just why you are fixated on me?

Like my last post, I said I will drop it. It wasn't "targeted" at you, it's just a pattern I have seen from you.

You state you don't hate our POTUS and I will take that at your word. I never claimed you stated it as much, it was the tone of your posts I was asking about.

Just keep in mind that many people lurk and read this board and we should always be conscience of what we say and how we say it. I have found myself looking at some of my posts and thinking I shouldn't have said that, or I should have worded it differently. In those cases I would want someone to call me on it and have me think about it, no matter what the outcome after the thought process, but that's just me.

 

[Palatka51]

You state you don't hate our POTUS and I will take that at your word. I never claimed you stated it as much, it was the tone of your posts I was asking about.

Thank you, brother. Just take anything you read with a grain of salt, please. You should never assume the personality or emotion of a person based on a printed page. Face to face, eye to eye communication can never be conveyed to the reader. If that is the way my posts have came across to you or anyone else, I can not help that. And only voice communication can set a "tone" to a subject being discussed.

 

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