Have you ever Spoken in Tounges

Mother: Eat your tomatoes, Johnny.
Johnny: I hate tomatoes, Mommy.

Mother: Johnny, I said eat your tomatoes.
Johnny: But Mommy, I hate tomatoes.

Mother: Have you ever tasted tomatoes, Johnny ?
Johnny: No

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Give it a chance, people. It is a beautiful fellowship with the Lord.

 

Brian, I'm so glad that you said that!

I went back to read Me2's post again and I still don't know what she/he is talking about.

Me2, would you try again, in a more down to Earth application?

Thanks,
MEE

 

My opinion was that if people believe that men spoke in foreign languages that they were not accustomed to speaking., that notion was incorrect.

As people speak in a foreign language ..they have taught the language to their minds and mouths and vocal cords.

speech comes through ideas and are represented in words.
we control and are responsible for such expressions and activities. we are not to "give up control".

anyone speaking without control of their mind is
1. babbling
2. read too much science fiction or too much religious nonsense and living in a fantasy world.
3. senile

God does not overtake ones concious and control someones mouth...maybe a donkey. but not a man.

we speak with intelligence and in full control of our faculties. therefore tounges are something that is taught to the individual. the only freewill of faculties is allowing God to teach us something new. we choose to believe it and stand behind it as new wisdom. and we proceed to speak it.

and God is the most Ration "being" in our universe..not someone who hides behind confusion.

Me2

 

Yes, I forgive you, of course

But as for what you wrote, how is 'hoping for an interpretation' less correct than 'hoping God's promises to me will come true'? We can't prove we're going to heaven until we get there. It's by faith that we believe God's promises to us and also it's by faith that people speak in tongues and trust for an interpreter.

Now - if it often happens that there is no interpretation brought, I'd agree that an unscriptural practice is occurring. However if the message always is interpreted then, evidently the hope/trust in God to bring one is justified and what is happening seems in accordance with Scripture, to me.

So, as to whether I'm opposed to tongues, I can't generalize and say that, no. I'd need to see what God is accomplishing in the lives of specific Christians and a specific church through 'tongues'. In other words, I'd want to see the 'fruit' of tongues.

For what it's worth, I think Me2 is in part objecting to the 'elitism' that can be implied by doctrines of speaking in tongues. Paul did say he'd rather speak a few words that could be understood than many in tongues. I think she's picking up on that and also emphasizing that as my pastor said last Sunday, the ground is level at the foot of the cross. I think I already said that I expect God's most faithful servants - when revealed - to include some who spoke in tongues and some who didn't.

Helen

 

Mee,

Could you be more specific..about which part ?

sanctification, or the understanding of it through identification of its components.

or the capability of repeating wisdom about such to another.

my own prospective concerning tounges end when I understand the language. If something was said to you..and you didnt understand it..It would be new. until you understood it.

so whats its purpose? and Whats its message?

to the jews..those by the way, living under the law will be astonished and amazed. to them its meant to be amasing but to the gentiles..those living by grace, will desire to understand.

heres another clue..jews are carnal christians today and are children. when they go through problems that they dont understand and you tell them whats happening in their life...their amazed.
and also these people havent accepted jesus as their lord yet so that their life is still ruled by living by the law and are under domination of the flesh.

while gentiles are those who live under grace and are identified by those who accept jesus as their lord..they yearn for wisdom of God. yet most today dont desire to comprehend the wisdom and understand the process of change that the christian goes through in our day.
too bad.

God always speaks to us in two ways...wisdom and understanding.. never one without the other.

we hear and then we live by the experience.

therefore we live through the understanding. ie sanctification. yet mentally we fall short of connecting the message and the process.

such as our bible..we live the experience first and then parallel the event with events of others..
theres the language that you can use to explain the event to yourself. although our spirit knew all along of its wisdom..our brain is comprehending in our own language.

with "tounges" someone already lived the experience. taught themselves the wisdom and the language necessary to explain it to another and now can use this gift to help others in need.

its not a silly babbling "tounge" or string of unknown words or foreign language or unintelligent words...to the hearer. its new wisdom. wether understood and accepted or not.

Me2

 

Helen,

I understand that we need no man to teach us anything of God. He will teach us in all things.

but he speaks to our spirit..not to our brain.

men speak to our brains. but yet if someone is speaking to us and it parallels with the message that God is speaking to our spirit...ITS AMAZING.

this is for encouragement only. the wisdom means nothing to the hearer until the understanding has fulfilled its course and the believer makes a choice wether it is truthful to them and adds this new understanding (by experience) and wisdom which the holy spirit teaches us as KNOWLEDGE of WHO GOD IS in our own life.

tounges is for the hearer to be reassured that someone understands what is occurring in their life at the moment.. Its not that the men in the bible heard their own language but that they understood that the ideas that were within them was similar to those being spoken. that the parculiar experiences that they were undergoing were experienced by another. thus becoming reassurred

that is what fellowshipis about..reassurance

and paul was somewhat disuaded by the non acceptance of his messages coming from him personally as opposed to simply accepting the message of the love of God generally.

some personal things (messages) just freak people out. its always a gamble speaking about personal things if the person your speaking to desires to be private and withdrawn.

and the statements about elitism..

thats men desiring to be Gods..
in their religions with their messages that no one can understand but themselves. Go Figure.

thats not my God..his messages are for everybody and anybody. not for just a select few.

Me2

 

(Me2)


Its not a silly babbling "tounge" or string of unknown words or foreign
language or unintelligent words...to the hearer. its new wisdom.
wether understood and accepted or not.

(Singer)

For 29 pages of Tongues Debate....browse on this:

http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=28;t=001461

 

Ahh...I think I'm following, up to the part above. Please break this down!

MEE

 

Yes, I think that was how the Pharisees were and Jesus strongly condemned them for hindering people from coming into the Kingdom of God. As best I can tell, reading the gospels, Jesus didn't seem to exclude anyone who was willing to listen to him.

Helen

 

Hi Carol, Hope you are well these days

Me2 writes:
""My opinion was that if people believe that men spoke in foreign languages that they were not accustomed to speaking., that notion was incorrect.""

OK, this statement I can grasp. and well it is wrong. Tongues were a supernatural gift and a sign to unbelievers. The word translated into tongues, from the greek means "languages", recognizeable languages.

Tongues, as Paul describes them in 1 Corithians worked like this: A person of a different language would come into a gathered assembly and would not be able to understand what was being said, so a person who had the "gift of tongues" would stand up and give a message to them in their native language. The tongue speaker could do this because it was a miraculous gift to have. Now at that point only the foreign person would be edified by the message so an Interpreter (gift of interpretation) would stand up and translate the message, so the whole assembly would be edified. (spiritual gifts are for the edification of the church only 1 cor. 12:7). More then likely the message would be translated phrase by phrase as a normal language translator would today. These were incredible gifts and pointed to God's pending judgement of Isreal.

Hope that sheds light on the practical way tongues were used in the early church.

In Love and Truth,
Brian

 

Brian, you are a "Sweetie."

But, where do you get this, "These were incredible gifts?"

My God is still the same and the gifts were left for *His Church.* The church age isn't over yet!

MEE

 

The question was. "Have you ever spoken in tongues?''

My answer is: Yes

This has been kicked to death so beyond that I won't say anymore.

 

Hi again Carol, Is "sweetie" a compliment for a rough tough guy like myself?? I guess it would be a compliment for anyone so thank you. I always enjoy discussing things with you because I know we can both love Jesus and disagree. (worked OK for Peter and Paul)


Anyway, My statement is based on the fact that I see Biblically that Tongues were used a certain way, and when I see that they are not used like they were anymore it lends evidence to the fact that Bible said that they pointed to something (were a sign - think of a highway sign saying 10 miles to Chicago) When you get to Chicago the "signs" end. When Isreal was judged and dispersed in 70AD the sign pointing to that would end. So based on those two things the biblical and the practical I conclude that God used tongues but ended them. Kind of like he used animal sacrifice but ended it, even though he is the same God. Thanks for listening of I guess it would be reading.

Take Care,
in Christ,
Brian

Hi MM, long time since I've seen you post in these parts!

 

And yet Paul specifically tells us that tongues are a sign for unbelievers....

 

And yet Paul specifically tells us that tongues are a sign for unbelievers.... </font>[/QUOTE]Are you talking about the "gift of tongues" or the baptism of the Holy Ghost?

MEE

 

Paul makes no such distinction.

 

Funny how I never seem to get a response to that statement....

 

To the question that is the topic of this post..YES

When in Morocco I learned French; In the Philippines, Tagalog; in Thailand Thai.

I have even studied a litle Russian.

 

Sure he does Don. Try this link! It explains it better than I could.

www.apostolic.edu/biblestudy/

Click on the subject of Tongues!

MEE