Hip-Hop Prayer Book?

[TaterTot]

well aint you hip. I am behind da times!

 

[tinytim]

Did you really say "hip"

That is so groovy, man!

 

[LeBuick]

I still think its meant so that this church (and others) can be relevant to their audience. I am amazed to find that we have had this kind of hullabaloo over a pamphlet, lol. I was thinking all along it was a full paraphrase.

I believe in being relevant to society. Today we sat in a hospital waiting room with a young man (grandson of a church member) who is into the Gothic stuff. I watched how others looked at his manner of hair and dress, and I watched obvious little church ladies (surely you can spot em too) and others cast unapproving eyes toward him (and us), without any regard for where he has been in life and from where he has come. I was honored to sit and have a conversation with this young man as if he were human. He appreciated as well. He just as much as told us so.
I say all that to say that we never know the paths that others have trod. Maybe the Holy Spirit wants to use YOU as a tool to draw a person to Himself. May we all be willing.

Bless your heart, we had a young hispanic kid that wore a multi-colored mohawk. At the Churches picnic, he broke out some cardboard in the park and turned out to be a pretty good break dancer. Some of the other kids said he cheated because of his hair dew :laugh: :laugh: :thumbs:

He never joined the Church and I haven't seen him lately, I need to ask about him a prayer meeting this Wed.

 

[TaterTot]

lol, Tater knows all about hip

 

[tinytim]

If I were to break dance, I'd break a hip! lol

 

[TaterTot]

sure would as old as you are :tongue3:

 

[tinytim]

Man, I just got served!

hahahahahaha.... ouch. I think I broke my funny bone.
Don't you have to go to bed or something...

 

[TaterTot]

nope I am here to be your thorn AND to get you to quit hijacking peoples threads!!! :tongue3:

 

[tinytim]

Guilty as charged...

In that case, I'll go to bed!
I'm gettin old as tater pointed out.

Here is something to chaw on....
1 The Lord's my shepherd, I'll not want.
2 He makes me down to lie
In pastures green: he leadeth me
the quiet waters by.

I think I'll lie down.

 

[TaterTot]

I aint far behind. Night!

 

[TheWinDork]

Is it just me or.....?

Or has the board like becoming like...weird and stuff?

:smilewinkgrin:

 

[TaterTot]

it must just be you. :saint: :wavey:

 

[J.D.]

Very good post Tatertot.. If only Christians would quit being judgemental, then maybe we could get to the people Christ came to save.

This, I'm better than you..
My church is better than you...
My music is more holier than yours...
My Bible translation is better than yours...
etc.
Is disgusting... It is sending people to Hell.
And it is the same sin that Satan was guilty of... pride!

Oh, I'll probably get lambasted by KJVO, CCM hating, self righteous people posing as Christians that want to win souls. But instead of winning souls to the Lord, they want to win souls to their way of thinking.

We were all sinners saved by grace.
But for the grace of God go I.
I try to remember this...
And before anyone else says so.... yes I am a worm.. I am the lowest of the low..., and I think God for my salvation.

We need to get the word to the gangs, and if this does it, then praise God. If the Holy Spirit is using it, isn't it akin to Blasphemy to condemn it. Isn't it sorta blaspheming the Holy Ghost to say He cannot do something just because our small minds cannot comprehend what He is doing...

Some are on very fine lines here.

Tiny, aren't you, in turn, walking that same fine line? Do you really think KJVO/Anti-CCM folks are causing people to go to Hell? Sounds pretty judgemental to me. Are you saying to your brother "Thou Fool?"

This is the conundrum all judgenotters find themselves in - judging the judgers.

I've been accused of blaspheming the Holy Ghost so many time I wish I could get paid for it. Try debating a charasmatic healer.

 

[tinytim]

It's this simple... anything that someone does that keeps someone else from coming to Christ is wrong....

I used to be part of the IFBs.
I set in a service one time when a pastor didn't preach the gospel, but instead preached against CCM, modern versions, and guys wearing earrings.

In that service set a teen boy with a NIV, and earring.
What did he learn.... God doesn't like people like him. He didn't hear the gospel.

Let's look at this reasonably:
I say hymns and CCM are both from God.
I say the KJV and the NIV are both the word of God.
I say a SBC, ABC, or IFB church that preaches the word of God is a church of God.

Now many IFBs,, not all, but the ones I know of, say that:
CCM is from Satan
the NIV is from Satan
and if you are not IFB you are not in a NT Church.

Now, who is being judgemental.
I am judging judgmentalism, not the person.
Notice I didn't say, people are sending others to Hell, but the judgements they put on other people.
KJVO is ascriptural, as is Anti-CCM, and denominations.
By ascriptural, I mean there is no scripture to address these man made theologies.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

It's this simple... anything that someone does that keeps someone else from coming to Christ is wrong....

I have never done anything that kept someone from coming to Christ. The only thing that keeps them from coming to Christ is their totally depraved sinful hearts. This is the theological error of those who are trying so hard to be relevant to the lost world. They think that the salvation of others depends on what they do or do not do. It does not. Yes, God by his grace has given us the privilege to witness to the lost and proclaim the Gospel, but it is God himself who melts the heart of stone and saves his elect. Neither I, nor anyone else can stand in the way of that. Learn more about God's Sovereignty here.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[tinytim]

Then let's just go party! We know we are on our way to Heaven. Forget about living like Christ here.

Sorry, Joseph, this is one area that we disagree on... I believe that I could live in a way that would lead others to Hell.

You say that you have never done anything that has kept people from coming to Christ.... Praise God.

I wish I could say that I have lived a life like that.
But one time, when i wasn't living a Christ-like life, I could have done some things that would lead someone to Hell.

I remember partying and still calling my self "Christian"
The friends I was partying with got the impression that they could live anyway, and still get to Heaven.

The Gospel wasn't presented by my life.
Actions speak louder than words.

Joseph, How strongly do you believe in predestination? That could be why we disagree over this.

 

[tinytim]

I read your link and here is the quesion that was asked:
God, from all eternity, did by the most wise and holy counsel of HIs own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass.

There is one logical falacy to the way the question is set up: In eternity nothing "comes to pass" Time does not exist in eternity, therefore the elements of time (past, present, future, comes to pass, did happen, etc) do not exist.

I believe in the sovereignity of God. I believe that God in his sovereignity can allow someone to mess up so bad that they can lead someone to Hell.

This thread is ssoooooo neat... we went from discussing to hip-hop to debating C&A! How cool is that?

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

I read your link and here is the quesion that was asked:
God, from all eternity, did by the most wise and holy counsel of HIs own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass.

There is one logical falacy to the way the question is set up: In eternity nothing "comes to pass" Time does not exist in eternity, therefore the elements of time (past, present, future, comes to pass, did happen, etc) do not exist.

I believe in the sovereignity of God. I believe that God in his sovereignity can allow someone to mess up so bad that they can lead someone to Hell.

This thread is ssoooooo neat... we went from discussing to hip-hop to debating C&A! How cool is that?

Tim,

God will not permit something that is in violation of his sovereign purpose and plan. The salvation of others has nothing to do with me and everything to do with God.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Then let's just go party! We know we are on our way to Heaven. Forget about living like Christ here.

Sorry, Joseph, this is one area that we disagree on... I believe that I could live in a way that would lead others to Hell.

You say that you have never done anything that has kept people from coming to Christ.... Praise God.

I wish I could say that I have lived a life like that.
But one time, when i wasn't living a Christ-like life, I could have done some things that would lead someone to Hell.

I remember partying and still calling my self "Christian"
The friends I was partying with got the impression that they could live anyway, and still get to Heaven.

The Gospel wasn't presented by my life.
Actions speak louder than words.

Joseph, How strongly do you believe in predestination? That could be why we disagree over this.

I never said that we could live in any manner we wished, and neither does Calvinism teach that.

Do you believe that when you were living in sin that you were thwarting the will of God to save his elect? If you believe this, then you believe in a God who is not sovereign. If God is not sovereign, then he is not Holy (because there is no guarantee that he can keep his promises) and, in fact, is not God at all. Why do you think the lost dies and goes to Hell? Is it because of their sin or is it because of something some Christian did? I will tell you that I totally reject this idea that I am a little Messiah who holds the souls of lost mankind in my hands.

I believe in predestination with all my heart because it is taught in the Bible.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[LeBuick]

Isn't being relevant to the audiance following the example set by Jesus? I always thought it was. When he spoke to fishermen he usually spoke about fishing, mending the nets etc... When he spoke to farmers he spoke about planting seeds, seperating wheat from tare etc... He knew those words would penetrate that audiance.

You wouldn't give a baby steak, but if you chew it up for them and place a small piece in the mouth you have given them something they can handle.