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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Earth Wind and Fire, Mar 5, 2013.

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  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    MANY hold to a form of Christianity that needs to add to the Will of God in christ to redeem us sacramnets of Graces, good works, speaking in tongues, and also do see it as being a co mixture of god doing what he could to save us, and allowing us to do our part to redeem us!
     
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  2. Thomas Helwys

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    Just a note: I edited my post that you quoted, as I thought what I said was unfair to you.
     
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  3. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Let me understand (Regarding Election) -- is it not ultimately determined by individual choice? Further, isnt the Arminian position that divine sovereignty must somehow be accommodated to human capability? If Im wrong, then correct me. We DoG believers see that your brand of Election & Salvation are not totally divine decrees. I think thats what "Y"is saying.
     
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  5. Earth Wind and Fire

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    OK, so even though human nature has been damaged by the fall.....its not totally disabled, right?

    Also, Christs work on the cross makes salvation possible for everyone, but not actual for anyone in particular, right?

    And finally, God's choice to save certain individuals was based on foreseen faith, on the ability to know in advance that they would freely believe the gospel?

    If correct, can you back that up with scripture?
     
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  6. Alive in Christ

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    EWF...

    I am leaving for our mid week evening service, but I will respond to your post to me when I return.

    God bless.
     
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  7. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Good Night!
     
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  8. Alive in Christ

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    EWF...

    You posted to me....

    Well, then you will have to consider God a synergist, as what I posted in my post is the gosple of Jesus Christ (jusification by faith alone)


    Now thats just a bunch of nonsensical calvinistic gobbldegoop. Gods glory is in saving repentant sinners by faith, and faith alone. Its just that simple.

    What I am advocating is light years away from the cultic false church of Rome. The catholic church wouldnt know justification by faith alone if it hit them in the nose.
     
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  9. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Of course a Synergist would say that, after all, what is the harm in adding just a little bit of human effort to the work of God

    I suppose that you cant recognize how dangerous this subtlety is, right? We wont have any more conversations about this as you really cant see your error can you?

    But you have added much more to this than faith here haven't you? You have in fact added little contributions along the way, correct! I would imagine by your correspondence with me that you don't even see them or you consider them too small to make much difference. None the less, that very little contribution alters the entire dynamic & that is your very subtle error.

    If man contributes any essential part towards his salvation, he effectively becomes his own savior.

    Not really, not in the bigger picture your not. Brother, I tell you this in all sincerity---The leaven of synergism always eventually works its way through the entire loaf of soteriology.

    Now you can have the last word, I have said my beliefs.
     
    #69 Earth Wind and Fire, Mar 14, 2013
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    Yes I agree with you. We (this includes thomas15) are all guilty of this one thing, we don't actually communicate with each other, we shout out our beliefs as fact, all claiming to be on the right side of Scripture. Well, it is impossible for all of us to have Scripture on our side because our views are not all compatable. I really don't know what the solution to the problem is.

    One thing I do know for fact is that there are some non-calvinist believers out there who have a burden for the lost and there are some non-calvinistic churches where the pastor preaches the gospel of the cross.
     
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    I don't think many do. The term "Pelagianism" is used in conjunction with Arminianism so much that there is confusion I think. The term "Pelagianism" (as it has been used) does not consider a special act of grace necessary, but Arminianism does. McMahon's M.O. for instance, seems to be to take the terms "Pelagian" "Semi-Pelagian" and "Arminian" and "heretic" for that matter....and just sort of swirl them around in the same glass and create an indistinguishable muddled cocktail. I think it breeds confusion.
     
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  12. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Tom, we are not going to solve our differences here today .... probably not in the future either. After some discussion yesterday & observing the RCC Pope thing that has almost everyone captivated (rolls eyes) .... Dylan's song, rolled thru my head "You Gotta Serve Somebody" ... Now it may be the devil & it may be the Lord, but your goin to have to serve somebody.

    I think thats our charge in this world!

    Blessings
     
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  13. thomas15

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    Many times I struggle to find a place where I agree with you theologically. This thread is an exception. Not so much your theology but your assessment of the thinking and methods of others on this board. I refer to the sledgehammer approach popular with some trying to make their case for reformed theology.

    I received an email today from a well known reformed bookstore advertising a huge moving sale up to 40% off, free shipping on orders over $35.00 All of their books on dispensationalism (for example) are written by non-dispensationalists. They sell one book critical of Calvinism and the owner of the bookstore actually has a disclaimer and urges anyone interested in the book to purchase another with it that offers a pro-calvinistic view. You know, balance error with truth. I use this as an illustration of how many reformed think. They are correct in their minds and everyone else reeks of sulfur.
     
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    I personally think we are better friends than we might think.
     
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    Yes AIC,

    For men to think they can contribute to their salvation is nonsense.I do not think it is comical, but rather lamentable.:thumbsup:
     
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  16. Alive in Christ

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    Hello Iconoclast.


    Have a great day.
     
    #76 Alive in Christ, Mar 14, 2013
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    Thanks AIC.....Lord willing I will...going to visit the sick.....:thumbsup:
     
    #77 Iconoclast, Mar 14, 2013
  18. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Oh...your finally meeting Winnan?:laugh: just kidding
     
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  19. Alive in Christ

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    EWF...

    you posted...



    Brother, the heartbeat of the gosple of Jesus christ is, and always will be, justification by faith alone.

    As opposed to to the "God churning out robots" gosple of calvinism.
     
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  20. thomas15

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    Does it always? Is this EWFs rule?
     
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