How Bush and Cheney Got Their War

I'm only convinced by evidence and precedents. I'll leave the interpretation of all the hype and propaganda to others. Like Hannity and Colmes.

 

That's a big factor when I try to evaluate things as well, Poncho, which is why I'm not convinced by some of the far-fetched positions you advance.

 

With the exception of but a small handfull every member of congress and the present administration hold membership in the CFR, Trilaterals, or Skull and Bones. They have been bought by the "international community" that is made up of transnational corporations and private central bankers that control just about every government on the planet by monopoly of fiat money and control of the mainstream press.

I agree. But today one has to dig deep for the whole truth. Not many are willing to risk stepping out of their little comfort zone to do that. It's easier to turn on the tube listen for 30 minutes and believe we have all the information we need to make important choices. Do you really think General Electric is going to let any of the "news organizations" it controlls tell you a major weapons manufacturer owns and controlls them? They aren't going to tell you how many congressmen and women are in their pocket either. They aren't going to let you know that they are big supporters of orgs like La Raza and Mecha. If you want to know that you have to take the time to dig.

They all thought Saddam had WMD's because they looked at all the receipts where they sold them to him, then ignored, demonized and smeared anyone on the ground in Iraq that had the nerve to tell the truth like Scott Ritter and Hans Blix. The war was planned long before George Bush even swore to defend the U.S. Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Obviously an oath that means nothing to him or all the other "government officials" that have worked to destroy what they swore to protect and defend.

And so, we're back to digging for the truth. That means time and energy spent on things other than cheering for "the home team".

So in other words we should just throw in the towel and let the one worlders have their way with our country and children's future? We shouldn't fight to keep our God given rights and freedoms as human beings the founders of this nation bled and died to give us and tens of thousands of others fought bled and died to defend? Then we shouldn't have fought WW1 or WW2 and every other "police action" our young men and women died supposedly defending liberty. If you're going to adopt that line of reasoning then be consistant and just say we ought to lie down and submit to evil because it's God's will.

Jesus told us to occupy until he returns, somehow I don't think that equals letting dishonest men lead us where ever they please. Especially since He obviously led our founding fathers to found this country on the principals they did. Such as making citizens the sovereigns instead of a Caesar. That's right Romans 13 doesn't apply to the citizens of the United States as we are the true sovereigns in this country not those we elect to represent us. They are public servants, they are there to serve us not we them, nor are they there to serve the global elite and lay down smoke screens for them so they can rob us blind while they tear down this country and all it the principals was founded on in order to merge it and us into some one world Orwellian order or Brave New World..

 

Little secret Dragoon. You have to look at all the available evidence, even that which may at first seem far fetched. Picking and choosing evidence based on any preconceived notions will only give you a distorted picture. But you knew that, and yet there are some things you've apparently made you're mind up about to the point that you will call certian evidence far fetched before you've even looked at it. Not a very scientific approach to seeking the truth to my way of thinking. In computer programing language they call that "garbage in - garbage out"

 

Obviously. If everyone shared our "obsession" with defending this country against it's domestic enemies bought and paid for by foreign powers bent on destroying it, we would have chased them back to whence they came along time ago. Then we could all sit around and talk about Ted Kennedy's liberality and Britney Spears' latest hair doo all the live long day without interuption.

 

One the first tasks of evaluating evidence is to determine it's credibility. Everyone makes choices about the evidence they select. If it's not credible then it's not worth the time to explore in depth. A whole lot of "evidence" is just junk opinions and theories that people have formulated around what they'd like a few literal facts to conclusively mean. That, indeed, fits the "GIGO" analogy.

What troubles me about your arguments is that everyone - or nearly everyone - of them all point to the same globalism theory. When anyone doubts the validity of those arguments your standard response is along the lines that they're just not smart enough to see the "truth" which, according to you, is proved without a doubt by the far fetched references you provide. The more you expound upon that the more I'm turned off by it!

I don't disagree with everything you claim but just a lot of it especially when you hijack nearly every topic in an attempt to turn it into proof positive for your globalism theories. Sure, I believe there are some people that are pushing globalism and some effects of what we see are due to that. However, I don't believe everything that happens is because of it or that all actions in government and business is about globalism. I know there are many factors and forces at work in these areas not the least of which is the selfish will of the citizens themselves.

But, of course, there's a lot in this world about which I could be completely wrong and I'm often finding myself re-learning something I thought I really understood. You may end up being known as the smartest person on the BaptistBoard some day if all your theories end up being widely proved and accepted as the absolute truth. I know I won't be considered for that title but it doesn't trouble me much.

 

Ted Kennedy is a threat to our nation as can be most recently evidenced by his pushing for legislation that would benefit the illegal aliens.

Britney Spears, nor any of the other Hollywood clowns, are of no interest to me.

 

President Bush is way off base on his position regarding illegal immigration and, in this respect, he is indeed a threat. That changes nothing about how I feel about other issues.

Ted Kennedy has a track record of extreme liberalism going back years even to before his swimming adventure. If he's been for it - I've probably been against it. He's a disgrace to Congress but does have lots of company therein.

 

Ritter and Blix may not have found any evidence that Saddam had them but it was Saddam who was required to prove what he had done with that which he was known to have had. He refused to do this and just because those guys couldn't find them did not guarantee he did not have them stashed somewhere.

Niether do I.

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

Edward Bernays (1928) "the father of public relations".

 

Face it, Dragoon. You're just not as smart as Poncho. If you don't come to the same obsessive conclusion he does based on the same info, you are just blissfully ignorant.

You have to start really looking for the booger bears in every nook and cranny. They just have to be there.

 

Bush & Cheney got their war because George Tenent, Hillary & Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Colin Powell, and an overwhelming majority of the outgoing in '04 senate & house gave it to them. Remember, ALL of the above said they did their own research, and did it before Bush was in office. This is everyone's war, and to shove all the blame on this administration is patently dishonest.

 

Amen, Bro. Curtis! It is America's war and it's ours to finish.

 

Yes, Carpro, that's probably true! Those booger bears are everywhere!

 

Explain this credibilty thing further, how do you determine what is and is not credible? Then I'll know better which questions to ask you.

That's because nine times out of ten every issue we face in this country today tracks directly back to globalists. That's not my fault.

I hear alot of that here, even though I have said time and again I am probably the least educated person on this board. It isn't my fault that people go out of there way to remain ignorant, that's on them not me.

What would you have me do Dragoon, forget everything that's taken me years of long hours to learn and re learn just so I can please a few folks that won't take the time to look past the headlines, propaganda or their own 'feelings'? No thanks.

Hiijack nearly every topic? You don't seem to have any problem posting in topics I have posted in Dragoon. Has my posting hindered yours in any way? Do you get to a topic only to find it closed because I have taken up all ten pages by myself???

Phooey! You get your chance to post whatever you please and so does everyone else here.

Neither do I.

Agree.

Me too, and I try to set things straight when I find out I have been mistaken. Of course I never get credit for it, boo hoo. That's life.

I couldn't care less about being the smartest person on this board or anywhere. What I care about is getting to the bottom of things and learning the truth, even if that makes me the most unpopular person on this board. Somebody has to do it.

"I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam". Popeye the sailor man.

 

True, but we had no idea the pig wasn't in the poke. Our leaders believed it was. Most of our allies believed it was...........Maybe, God let them believe it was so God could have His will done in having Saddam removed and having the the USA stayed focused on the mideast. God has us right where He wants us or I trust He wouldn't have let us gone there in the first place.

What if it is God's will that we stay in Iraq? Wouldn't we be kicking against the bricks [edited spelling only LE] by insisting we leave?

What if God wills us to leave? Could we resist God's will and stay anyways?

What is done is done. The day we step out of Iraq will be the day God wills it to be. Men take and are given alot of credit for things that they think they have control over.

Again I say, vote for God's morals and let the chips fall where God wills! At the least you will not be ashamed at judgment day for your voting principles.

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

Yes, as we speak, the black helocopters are transporting them from Mars. Elvis just told me, after we had lunch with Kennedy in the White House basement. Well, I am off to redo the set where we faked the moon landing to simulate a landing on Mars.

 

Neat old trick. Throwing garbage in the groceries. I can't believe people still try to use it. Yawn.

BTW Dragoon, I just counted 20 threads in the politics section, I have posted in six of those threads, five if we only count the the threads I have posted more than once. I'm hiijacking all the topics? Hardly. Politics is about the only forum I post in regularly. That leaves all the others for you to talk about whatever you please without my intruding. I think that's fair enough.