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How can you preach the gospel if you believe in limited atonement?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Abd al-masih, Jan 5, 2020.

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    Van Well-Known Member
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    1) So what was the ransom? The Lamb of God
    2) Christ was "satisfying" God's attribute of justice, in order to forgive and save sinners.
    3) Christ paid the ransom to become the propitiation, or means of salvation, for the whole world, all mankind.

    Thus Christ's sacrifice provides the means of reconciliation for all.
     
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    Van this doesn't tell us anything. You can say true doctrine/false doctrine but how do we know you are correct? Is it just because you say so?
     
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    So Christ paid the ransom that satisfied the justice of God for every individual, yet some still go to Hell? There is a big problem in your position there.
     
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    Biblical truth is never a problem.
    The misrepresentation of the biblical view is a big problem.
    When is an individuals sin burden removed? When Christ died - the bogus Calvinist view, or when the individual is placed in Christ - the biblical view.

    Thus Christ's sacrifice provides the means of reconciliation for all.
     
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    Except I don't believe your version is biblical truth. You have a glaring contradiction and logical error.

    So, we aren't asking the question when was the burden removed. We are asking for what sins did Christ pay for?

    Do we believe that Christ simply made saving possible, or did he actually save somone?
     
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    I have answered all these questions many times before. There are no contradictions. There are no logical errors.

    Did I say Christ "paid" for anyone's sins. Quote please.

    When is an individuals sin burden removed? When Christ died - the bogus Calvinist view, or when the individual is placed in Christ - the biblical view.

    The Calvinist view, developed in the dark ages, is speculation added to the text.

    But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. So were sins bought?
     
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    So Christ didn't pay for any sins? Hmm, you said he paying the ransom to become the propitiation. What do you think that means exactly?
     
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    Asked and answered.
     
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    Where?
     
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    I did not see a quote. What verse says "paid for sins?"

    Did I say Christ "paid" for anyone's sins. Quote please.

    When is an individuals sin burden removed? When Christ died - the bogus Calvinist view, or when the individual is placed in Christ - the biblical view.

    The Calvinist view, developed in the dark ages, is speculation added to the text.

    But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. So were sins bought?
     
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    Ever read Isaiah 53?
     
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    Ever read the bible?
    Thus Christ's sacrifice provides the means of reconciliation for all.
     
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    In case you hadn't noticed, Isaiah is in the Bible Van.
     
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    Isaiah 53 says he is taking the punishment for sin. So is he taking the punishment for the sin of every person but for some that payment was not good enough?
     
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    In case you, you, you, you - more off topic derailment.
     
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    You asked if I had ever read the bible in response to me posting Is. 53. I was showing that yes, I have.
     
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    Did you find "paid for the individual sins?"

    Why not answer the questions?

    I did not see a quote. What verse says "paid for sins?"
    When is an individuals sin burden removed?

    When Christ died - the bogus Calvinist view, or
    when the individual is placed in Christ - the biblical view.
    But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. So were sins bought?

    Jesus became the propitiation or means of salvation for all mankind.
     
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    This is like arguing with a broken record. Can't even seem to grasp basic concepts.
     
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    I think you were changing the subject
     
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    And you were wrong.
     
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