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Featured How does Revealtion 20:10 Support annihilation?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Aug 29, 2018.

  1. Yeshua1

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    As it seems to state that the Beast/False prophet were alive for 1000 years, and then Satan got tossed there to suffer tormewnt "forever"
     
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    Well.............they have been there for 1,000 years burning, so yea.

    Punishment in the "Lake of Fire" is forever and whatever is in there prepared for the devil and his angels burn forever. They are alive there and tormented forever........

    Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

    The torment is conscious and the torment is forever.
     
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    Just because you question scripture doesn't change the fact... Brother Glen:)
     
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    Revelation 20:10 (KJV) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    Matthew Henry says this in part: "The doom and punishment of the grand enemy, the devil: he is now cast into hell, with his two great officers, the beast and the false prophet, tyranny and idolatry, and that not for any term of time, but to be there tormented night and day, for ever and ever. "

    I think that the beast and the false prophet were already in hell when Satan was let loose for the last time and then the devil was defeated again and cast into hell forever and John reminds us that the other two of the Satanic threesome were already in hell and had been for a thousand years:

    Revelation 19:20 (KJV) And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


    Matthew Henry says: Observe, 1. The restraints laid for a long time on Satan are at length taken off. While this world lasts, Satan’s power in it will not be wholly destroyed; it may be limited and lessened, but he will have something still to do for the disturbance of the people of God. 2. No sooner is Satan let loose than he falls to his old work, deceiving the nations, and so stirring them up to make a war with the saints and servants of God, which they would never do if he had not first deceived them. They are deceived both as to the cause they engage in (they believe it to be a good cause when it is indeed a very bad one), and as to the issue: they expect to be successful, but are sure to lose the day. His last efforts seem to be the greatest. The power now permitted to him seems to be more unlimited than before. He had now liberty to beat up for his volunteers in all the four quarters of the earth, and he raised a mighty army, the number of which was as the sand of the sea, v. 8. We have the names of the principal commanders in this army under the dragon—Gog and Magog. We need not be too inquisitive as to what particular powers are meant by these names, since the army was gathered from all parts of the world. These names are found in other parts of scripture. Magog we read of in Gen. 10:2 . He was one of the sons of Japheth, and peopled the country called Syria, from which his descendants spread into many other parts. Of Gog and Magog together we only read in Eze. 38:2 , a prophecy whence this in Revelation borrows many of its images. 5. We have the march and military disposition of this formidable army (v. 9.): They went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city, that is, the spiritual Jerusalem, in which the most precious interests of the people of God are lodged, and therefore to them a beloved city. The army of the saints is described as drawn forth out of the city, and lying under the walls of it, to defend it; they were encamped about Jerusalem: but the army of the enemy was so much superior to that of the church that they compassed them and their city about. 6. You have an account of the battle, and the issue of this war: Fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured the enemy. Thus the ruin of Gog and Magog is foretold (Eze. 38:22 ), I will rain upon him and upon his bands an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, and fire and brimstone. God would, in an extraordinary and more immediate manner, fight this last and decisive battle for his people, that the victory might be complete and the glory redound to himself. 7. The doom and punishment of the grand enemy, the devil: he is now cast into hell, with his two great officers, the beast and the false prophet, tyranny and idolatry, and that not for any term of time, but to be there tormented night and day, for ever and ever. "

    Revelation 20 Commentary - Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible (Complete)
     
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    The words "eternal", "forever", "everlasting" as regards hell are not in the Bible, in the original languages.
     
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    What does that mean to you?
     
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    Liberals do not like that hell is eternal
     
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    jesus used the term for endless period, ongoing period of time for both heaven durations and for Hells though!
     
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    I am thinking that Seventh Day Adventists such as Desmond Ford say that hell is not eternal in that the soul is destroyed if I have that right. In other words, is it just a heterodox doctrine. I think that hell is eternal because of verses such as Mark 9:48 (KJV) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
     
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    Is Heaven real?... Then Hell is too!... Just because we don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist... Brother Glen:)

    Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

    16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

    16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

    16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

    16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
     
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    Also, where would there be real justice if the Hilter and the lost Granmda were both just snuffed out?
     
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    The 1000 years represent Satan's binding, not the kingdom. When Satan is loosed he attacks the kingdom. Plus, we need to limit Revelation 20 to Jesus' definition of the kingdom as spiritual. If we drag Jewish physical kingdom ideas into Revelation 20, we add to the book. = huge problem.
     
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    It means to me that "eternal hell" is doctrine of man.
     
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    Fundamentalists claim to interpret the Bible literally but don't really want to know the literal rendering if it disagrees with their presuppositions.

    BTW, don't know if you're a fundamentalist or not. Just making a point.
     
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    That verse just disproves annihilation; it doesn't prove hell is eternal.

    Every time that the words "eternal" or "forever" are used with the word hell, the meaning in the original language is "aion" or "aionios", meaning an age or age-long. An age is not an eternity. That is a fact that cannot be changed by rendering "aion" and "aionios" as "eternal" or forever".
     
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    Oh, what is the difference between annihilation being disproved and the eternal nature of hell? Are you saying the soul is destroyed rather than tormented forever in hell?
     
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    Why do you say that eternal hell is a doctrine of man? Are you SDA?

    Revelation 20:10 (KJV) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
     
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    Bub you speak on things of which you do not fully understand. "Aion" is definitely the root word and it does mean age, however, it does not mean every word derived from that root also can only mean age. Further, when "Aion" is placed in differing contexts it takes on different meanings other than just "an age" or unknown period of time. For instance in I Timothy 6:6 a derivative of "Aion" is used "aionos" in describing God. Now we already know that God and all His attributes are eternal and in this verse the eternal attributes are honor and power. Now would you describe honor and power as being only and age? You need to remember context is king!
     
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    John 6:47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.

    In this passage eternal is Aionois and we would not want to think it means an age. Again context demands the eternal understanding of this word.
     
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    I could go on but you get the point.
     
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