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How important is free will to you?

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by KenH, Apr 29, 2003.

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Which would you prefer:

    1)To have free will and be in hell?

    2)To not have free will and be in heaven?
     
    #1 KenH, Apr 29, 2003
  2. Yelsew

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    Free will is not one of the things that puts one in hell

    Not having free will is no guarantee of getting to heaven either!
     
    #2 Yelsew, Apr 29, 2003
  3. KenH

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    My own preference is number 2. If you want to call me a puppet of God, that's fine with
    me. [​IMG]
     
    #3 KenH, Apr 29, 2003
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    Reminds me of the 'Better to reign in Hell/ Than serve in Heav'n' question.

    This is really a stupid question, you know.
     
    #4 ScottEmerson, Apr 29, 2003
  5. Yelsew

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    Call me an obedient servant of God, by my own free will choice. That's OK with by me!
     
    #5 Yelsew, Apr 29, 2003
  6. Yelsew

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    That's OK Scott, this is the Humor section!
     
    #6 Yelsew, Apr 29, 2003
  7. KenH

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    A little bit on the crabby side tonight, eh Scott? [​IMG]

    I find it amazing that if a free willer doesn't like a question, he calls it "silly". Don't free willers like to think through things? [​IMG] My question is certainly no more silly than Bob Ryan's scenario in which he mistakenly and brazenly believes he has singlehandedly accomplished what other free willers have failed to do for thousands of years - defeat the doctrine of salvation by free grace.
     
    #7 KenH, Apr 30, 2003
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    scenario in which he mistakenly and brazenly believes he has singlehandedly accomplished what other free willers have failed to do for thousands of years - defeat the doctrine of salvation by free grace.

    I still have not read this scenario :D

    I would rather have Sovereign Grace than to rely on my will.

    Bro. Dallas
     
    #8 Frogman, Apr 30, 2003
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    Hey, Brother Dallas, that's your choice!

    :D
     
    #9 Helen, Apr 30, 2003
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    LoL [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Good one Helen, how's your hand?

    You do realize I made that choice only after having been regenerated by the Holy Spirit don't ya?

    The goodness of God leadeth you to repentance.

    BTW, everyone, this is off topic for here, but I am going to turn in early tonight, I am having surgery on my eyes tomorrow and would like to request prayer from as many as the Lord would burden with my memory. Thanks [​IMG]

    God Bless.
    Bro. Dallas
     
    #10 Frogman, Apr 30, 2003
  11. Yelsew

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    I pray that God's angels attend your doctors and you while you recover. Looking forward to your return.
     
    #11 Yelsew, Apr 30, 2003
  12. William C

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    How about this question Ken:

    Would you rather...

    1. Have God bind you over to disobedience through Total Depravity and pass you by allowing you to spend eternity in hell being tortured for not believing something that you were never even granted the ability to understand by the one who created you.

    Or

    2. Have God bind you over to disobedience through Total Depravity and pass you by allowing you to spend eternity in hell being tortured for not believing something that you were never even granted the ability to understand by the one who created you.


    Hmmmmm? :rolleyes:

    Would you call that a choice?

    Calvinist's do. :confused:
     
    #12 William C, May 1, 2003
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    Ken,

    The question isn't which would you rather believe, but rather what does the Bible clearly state. According to the Bible, God bases judgement on how we prepare for the wedding feast.

    The guests are not thrown out because they weren't the ones the king chose originally. The guests were throan out because they chose to not dress in appropriate attire.

    The king did not reinstate the slave's debt because the king never intended to forgive the debt. He reinstated the debt because the slave was not willing to forgive a lesser debt.

    Many are called, but few are chosen. Does mean that the choosing was rigged? Does this mean that God intends to call people he made for the express purpose of ignoring the call?

    Perhaps one can find a couple of verses that support that this might be the case, yet there are other verses that clearly state that this is not the case for all.
     
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    How important is free will to you?

    I have thought about that for a long time now. I have definitely come to the stage in my life in which I need to be assured that when the time comes, all is well. But frankly, I don't know of any lawyer with whom I can file my will for free.
     
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    Topic: How important is free will to you?
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    posted April 29, 2003 11:37 PM


    Which would you prefer:

    1)To have free will and be in hell?

    2)To not have free will and be in heaven?
     
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    Topic: How important is free will to you?
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    posted April 29, 2003 11:37 PM


    Which would you prefer:

    1)To have free will and be in hell?

    2)To not have free will and be in heaven?

    Sorry, Ken for the post mistake.

    Your post was totally hypothetical, kind of like 'make believe.' It is like saying, "Would to prefer to have your Five Points of Calvinism and be in Hell, or not have them and be in Heaven."

    Free will is found throughout the Bible but most of the five points are simple not in God's Word and are but the incursions of misled quasi-theologians.
     
    #16 Ray Berrian, May 1, 2003
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    Tutor,

    Your post was especially wise here, at least to me. I hope others will gather the import of this quote from the Bible.

    'The question isn't which would you rather believe, but rather what does the
    Bible clearly state. According to the Bible, God bases judgement on how we
    prepare for the wedding feast.

    The guests are not thrown out because they weren't the ones the king
    chose originally. The guests were thrown out because they chose to not
    dress in appropriate attire.'

    Thanks for refreshing us with this important truth! The righteousness of Christ is our only robe that is pleasing to God. We receive it as His free gift of grace, through faith in Him.
     
    #17 Ray Berrian, May 1, 2003
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    No, they were turned away because they did not have the garments given by the King.

    This may go further than individual salvation and is likely to be speaking of the church, especially since it is discussing the 'marriage' supper. Or are we individually the 'wife' of Christ our husband? I believe the Bible makes it clear as well he is the husband of the church and not of individuals, but that of individuals he is the elder brother, the first fruit of the resurrection.

    God Bless.
    Bro. Dallas Eaton
     
    #18 Frogman, May 1, 2003
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    Matthew 22:1-14
    I don't see any mention of garments given to them by the king. Perhaps you are speaking of some other wedding feast parable.
     
    #19 Eladar, May 1, 2003
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    I don't know, we didn't have a 'feast' when we got married. :D

    Perhaps the account in Luke;

    Also, is the quote you provided from the KJV? It doesn't look like it to me, but I am not seeing as good as normally tonight.

    My fallibility aside, what of vs 14 of ch. 22?

    God Bless.
    Bro. Dallas Eaton
     
    #20 Frogman, May 1, 2003
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