Featured How many here hold to the heresy of Pelagianism

Biblically. But that's another topic (too late to hijack this thread, we're already past due on being closed).

 

But that is not what you said. You said:

What you are talking about now is called Pelagianism (that man, without divine assistance or intervention, chooses God). My point here is that no one on the Baptist Board has said such (this is a strawman argument).

 

Perhaps.

I just have not seen any.

 

No. You are wrong. I have not seen Pelagianism on this board.

I do not declare anyone's position "not Pelagianism". If they meet the definition then that is what they are. YOU are ignoring that words actually have meaning.

But I do think that we need to be accurate and not foolishly declare people to hold a view that they have denied. If you do not know what Pelagianism is then perhaps you need to learn the term before you start trying to put people into that cagtegory.

Pelagianism is a very simple belief. It is the denial of the 5th century Catholic doctrine of original sin and the belief men have perfect freedom to do right or wrong without divine intervention.

The cannons of the Council of Carthage declared Pelagianism a heresy because it:

1. rejected that infants need to be baptized on the account of sin
2. rejected that death came to Adam through sin
3. rejected the work of God in sanctification (to avoid sins)
4. rejected that it is Christ in us who strengthens us to follow God's commands
5. rejects that without God's grace it is impossible to perform truly good works.
6. rejects that we are by nature sinners who fall short of the glory of God.

You are just using words that sound bad to insult people who disagree with your view.

Given your method of argument here, you are just as guilty of Pelagianism because you reject that infants need to be baptized on account of sin.

 

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Interesting. I win not because I "carry the big stick" but because you have no argument and look for an excuse to retreat.

I think (hope) that you at least understand why those you accuse of Pelagianism (those who have stated no one comes to God except God draw them, like MB) are not really Pelagians any more than you are for rejecting infant baptism.

Answer this - how can someone who believes that man cannot turn to God unless God draw man (people on the BB) also hold that man without God man chooses God (Pelagianism)???

 

It is not being superior. Words, even Pelagianism, have meanings.

It is not an opinion - no one here has stated that man turns to God apart from that being the work of God.

Definitions are objective. I cannot change the meanings of words. You cannot either.

And I do not know why you devolve into ad hominem. This is twice in a very short span. Usually people do that when they have no argument and can't admit it as an attempt to hide the fact.

 

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