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How many races

Discussion in 'History Forum' started by Salty, Feb 27, 2021.

  1. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    Salty, your assertion is false. Skin color has nothing to do with blood transfusions or organ transplants. I suggest you stop reading fake news.
    Here's what the author of your link says:
    The author has zero documentation for his claims, has not been peer reviewed and is a social darwinist. You should cringe at using this article as your source for your assertion.
     
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  2. robycop3

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    When we gave blood to wounded men in our mash unit, the only distinction made was to make sure we were giving the correct blood type to that particular man. At least half those men were black, with a few Asians as well, & most of the blood has come from home. Most likely, most of it was from whites, and likely very little, if any, was from Asians. I never saw anyone go into shock due to receiving incompatible blood.

    We did have 2 JWs who refused blood; one died who would almost certainly have lived & recovered completely had he accepted a blood TF. (His death will certainly be counted against his gurus who had indoctrinated him with man-made lies.)
     
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    first section from longer article Race (human categorization) - Wikipedia

    A race is a grouping of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into categories generally viewed as distinct by society.[1] The term was first used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations. By the 17th century the term began to refer to physical (phenotypical) traits. Modern science regards race as a social construct, an identity which is assigned based on rules made by society.[2] While partially based on physical similarities within groups, race does not have an inherent physical or biological meaning.[1][3][4]

    Social conceptions and groupings of races have varied over time, often involving folk taxonomies that define essential types of individuals based on perceived traits.[5] Today, scientists consider such biological essentialism obsolete,[6] and generally discourage racial explanations for collective differentiation in both physical and behavioral traits.[7][8][9][10][11]

    Even though there is a broad scientific agreement that essentialist and typological conceptions of race are untenable,[12][13][14][15][16][17] scientists around the world continue to conceptualize race in widely differing ways.[18] While some researchers continue to use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits or observable differences in behavior, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race is inherently naive[7] or simplistic.[19] Still others argue that, among humans,

    race has no taxonomic significance because all living humans belong to the same subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.[20][21]
    (my emphasis)

    Since the second half of the 20th century, the association of race with the discredited theories of scientific racism has contributed to race becoming increasingly seen as a largely pseudoscientific system of classification. Although still used in general contexts, race has often been replaced by less ambiguous and loaded terms: populations, people(s), ethnic groups, or communities, depending on context


    "Biblical Terminology" Biblical terminology for race - Wikipedia
    (Ham, Shem, Japheth and others)
     
  4. atpollard

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    According to the KJV, there are 4:
    • [Psa 19:5 KJV] 5 Which [is] as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, [and] rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

    • [Ecc 9:11 KJV] 11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race [is] not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

    • [1Co 9:24 KJV] 24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

    • [Heb 12:1 KJV] 1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

    :)
     
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    So according to the Bible,
    there are runners and non runners.
     
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    In life as well ... there are those who lift and those who lean.
    (The sheep who follow, and the goats that just watch and ask more questions.)
     
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    You are way off base. He didn't relate it to skin color, and the author of the article most certainly didn't either. Are you next going to make the same baseless charges against the Red Cross?

    Diversity In Blood Types

    People come in all different shapes, sizes and blood types. Most blood types fall into one of the four major groups: A, B, AB, O. However, some people have rare blood types that fall outside the major groups, and for these patients, we need a more diverse blood supply.

    Rare Blood Types
    For a small percentage of the population, finding someone else with the same blood type can be as difficult as looking for a needle in a haystack. Patients who require frequent blood transfusions as part of their treatment, like those with sickle cell disease or thalassemia, can need close blood type matches to prevent these patients from developing complications from their transfusion therapy.

    The best blood type match for patients with rare blood types often comes from donors of the same race or similar ethnicity.

    Blood and Diversity


    [​IMG]
     
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    On the other hand, people died horrible deaths by contracting AIDS from contaminated blood.
     
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    Sigh...the author of the article Salty posted is a evolutionist, social darwinist. He's promoting a caste system based on skin color and claiming that skin color determines other factors like blood type. The author is a wacko.
     
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    This is a major problem with disputes. No one I know of is right about everything. By the standards you are suggesting, no one could be validly cited about anything.

    The portion of the article quoted has plenty of backing. No other portion of the article was endorsed, and certainly not atheistic evolution or social Darwinism. It is a logical fallacy to assume otherwise.
     
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    People have died during teeth-cleaning also. Any medical procedure has risks, ranging from slight to great. The benefits are generally weighed against the risks.

    If GOD didn't want people to receive blood TFs, they wouldn't work, simple as that. We cannot receive animal blood & vice versa. And Jesus said no man has greater love than he who would lay down his life for another man. One takes a risk by giving blood, and God reminded us that the blood is the life.
     
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    One might try finding an article that actually has citation and has been peer reviewed.
    We are talking about an unscientific belief in race as a biological difference. Biologically there is no difference.
     
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    Maybe you should have stopped while you were ahead. You managed to mix it up pretty well there and ended up backward. Laying down one’s life?

    The dying was done by the recipients in my example, not by the ones giving blood. And the blood transfusions didn't work in these cases. It might even rightly be called murder.

    Besides receiving Jesus’ blood is not the same as receiving other men’s, and this is what the sacrificial system was really all about. We could receive neither animals’ blood nor other men’s. The only saving blood is Jesus’.

    It’s not these blood transfusions that should be our concern for JWs, but rather whether they are being taught the Gospel.

    Hmmm. Maybe this would be a good place to start a discussion, one in which rather than ridiculing avoiding transfusions, using the concept to home in on the Gospel. Thanks. :Thumbsup
     
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    And yet there are differences. This was pointed out very specifically. And the information quoted was bona fide. It matters not who stated it.

    It's good that the article was linked. Take issue with other parts of the article if you wish, it might prove to be a useful discussion.

    It is not untrue that there are real differences among the races, even important ones. Regardless of how this came about, it will not change the fact that it did.
     
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    Guess I should have asked what JWs were doing there on the battlefield. Don’t they also refuse military service as a matter of religious conviction?
     
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    What is the clear cut when one says "race". It depends on the context and how you define it.
     
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    I am particularly fond of the steeple chase...
     
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    People are people and dogs are dogs. However....
    There are 506 species of dogs, ranging from Affenpinscher to Yorkshire Terrier.

    What about people?

     
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    I don't know how they got there. Most likely they became JWs after joining the military. (I knew of one Marine who became a SDA after joining, but he believed in completing what he'd committed himself to do, & continued on as usual.)
     
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    At least 3. If there was only one race, white folks couldn't be ashamed of being white and they couldn't be racists.
    I say "Native pride" and it's a good thing. You say "white pride" and it's racist. Go figure that crap out.
     
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