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How Rice Won a Mideast Deal

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by KenH, Nov 16, 2005.

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    #1 KenH, Nov 16, 2005
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    I am going to ask again...because I still cannot seem to find it. What did this deal specifically commit the Palestinians to do? I see specific things Israelis are to do with timelines, etc...

    I see nothing like that for the Palestinians. What really makes this such a great deal?

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    #2 Joseph_Botwinick, Nov 16, 2005
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    From the story: "The security-sovereignty deadlock was resolved in a compromise in which the Israelis agreed to cede responsibility for camera surveillance and watch-list screening at Rafah to European personnel, while the Palestinians accepted that the Europeans would have final authority to order extra searches and computer checks on people and vehicles traveling from Egypt to Gaza."

    Since Israel was the party with the most control over whether the pepper crop would make it to market.

    Also from the story: "That was because Israel, which controls all access points into the Palestinian territories even after withdrawing from Gaza, and the Palestinian Authority had been unable to reach an agreement that would let inhabitants of the territories travel and trade. The two sides were inches from a deal, Wolfensohn said, but were hung up on details."
     
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    I hate to say this, Ken...but it don't look like that great a deal to me. I am a bit dubious about how legitimate it is to put the security of Israelis in the hands of Europeans. We will see if it works out. I noticed that nowhere in the deal was there a commitment on the part of Abbas to disarm the terrorists amongst his people, a plan to do that, nor a timetable for it either. Now, that would have been an impressive deal. This looks like more of the same old same old to me.

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    Virtually all these treaties and pacts and gentlemans agreements are against Israel's best interest in the overall scheme of things. And we are a principal party to it. Virtually the whole world hates Israel.
     
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    A viable two State solution is definitely in Israel's interests, especially the children of the Israelis - and the children of the Palestinians.
     
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    I agree about that Ken. I don't think this treaty was in Israel's best interest though.

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    It never is. :(
     
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    "Also deferred are the issues of Israel's presence in the West Bank and actions that the Americans wanted Abbas to undertake to disarm militant groups. The Palestinian leader has said he cannot confront those armed groups until after the elections in January.

    U.S. officials vow to hold Abbas to his promise, saying he should realize how much his standing in Washington will be on the line."

    - LINK
     
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    This was a very, very limited agreement.
     
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    "Also deferred are the issues of Israel's presence in the West Bank and actions that the Americans wanted Abbas to undertake to disarm militant groups. The Palestinian leader has said he cannot confront those armed groups until after the elections in January.

    U.S. officials vow to hold Abbas to his promise, saying he should realize how much his standing in Washington will be on the line."

    - LINK     </font>[/QUOTE]No specific plan or timeline = business as usual. Just like the good ole days when Arafat was promising the world with no real accountability.

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    This was a very, very limited agreement. </font>[/QUOTE]Limited to Israel giving the world and recieving very little to nothing in return. That is for sure.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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