How to defeat the ME heresy

[npetreley]

Just ask the question, "By whose righteousness will you enter the kingdom?" (Thanks to Amy for posing the question.) The ME folks flee that question like rats out of an aquaduct.

Of course, you ME folks can prove me wrong by providing a simple answer to this simple question.

 

[Amy.G]

Now that's just weird, because I was thinking of starting a similar thread.

(Twilight zone music playing)

:laugh:

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

How can someone who is under the righteousness of God be forsaken and seperated by and from God at any point?

 

[James_Newman]

Just ask the question, "By whose righteousness will you enter the kingdom?" (Thanks to Amy for posing the question.) The ME folks flee that question like rats out of an aquaduct.

Of course, you ME folks can prove me wrong by providing a simple answer to this simple question.

I'll bite. It's by Christ's righteousness. But it is by Christ's righteousness working through you.

 

[Amy.G]

I'll bite. It's by Christ's righteousness. But it is by Christ's righteousness working through you.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Christ's righteousness working through you", but I'll go with that for now.
So, there's no way you can be excluded from the kingdom, since Christ's righteousness doesn't fail. So who are the poor souls that suffer in hell for 1000 years?
And who are the righteous in Christ?

 

[James_Newman]

I'm not sure what you mean by "Christ's righteousness working through you", but I'll go with that for now.
So, there's no way you can be excluded from the kingdom, since Christ's righteousness doesn't fail. So who are the poor souls that suffer in hell for 1000 years?
And who are the righteous in Christ?

That would be folks who through covetousness or fear or whatever do not allow the righteousness of Christ to work through them.

 

[J. Jump]

Now we have a whole thread started based on your false accusations. I see James as offered yet AGAIN to answer your question. Wonder how many times or how many people have to answer this question before we are no longer avoiding your question.

By the way I'm STILL waiting for an answer for some proof that those that Jesus encountered were spiritually dead and I've been waiting for DAYS for an answer to that question. And the only response I've gotten so far is read your Bible.

Talking about fleeing a question like rats out of an aquaduct . . .

 

[npetreley]

That would be folks who through covetousness or fear or whatever do not allow the righteousness of Christ to work through them.

Give scripture to show that Christ's imputed righteousness can fail.

Give scripture to show that Christ's imputed righteousness depends on what we allow.

You cant, obviously. Next excuse.

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[Amy.G]

That would be folks who through covetousness or fear or whatever do not allow the righteousness of Christ to work through them.

That makes no sense. The Holy Spirit works through you after you have been declared righteous.
You seem to be saying that we can turn righteousness on and off by our actions.

 

[npetreley]

That makes no sense. The Holy Spirit works through you after you have been declared righteous.
You seem to be saying that we can turn righteousness on and off by our actions.

LOL!!!

Click. Now I'm righteous.

Click. Now I'm not.

Click. Now I'm righteous.

Click...

You must admit, ME is good for some laughs. Not for anything else, but still good for a laugh.

 

[webdog]

Give scripture to show that Christ's imputed righteousness can fail.

Give scripture to show that Christ's imputed righteousness depends on what we allow.

You cant, obviously. Next excuse.

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...and while they are at it...please show how a spirit indwelt believer, with the righteousness of Christ, can exist in hell (spiritual separation from God). I would like to know how God can be separated from God...

 

[npetreley]

...and while they are at it...please show how a spirit indwelled believer, with the righteousness of Christ, can exist in hell (spiritual separation from God).

Excellent addition, webdog.

 

[Amy.G]

Excellent addition, webdog.

:applause: Beyond excellent!

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law

 

[J.D.]

This game is turning into a rout. Looks like MEs will have to regroup for the next round.

 

[James_Newman]

Give scripture to show that Christ's imputed righteousness can fail.

Give scripture to show that Christ's imputed righteousness depends on what we allow.

You cant, obviously. Next excuse.

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Do we have to suffer to have Christ's righteousness imputed to us?

Philippians 3:8-11
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Perhaps there is another sense in which Christ's righteousness is to be found in us, not merely through believing on Him.

 

[James_Newman]

...and while they are at it...please show how a spirit indwelt believer, with the righteousness of Christ, can exist in hell (spiritual separation from God). I would like to know how God can be separated from God...

Psalms 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

 

[Amy.G]

Psalms 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

That means you can't hide from God.

Try again.

 

[Amy.G]

Do we have to suffer to have Christ's righteousness imputed to us?

Philippians 3:8-11
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Perhaps there is another sense in which Christ's righteousness is to be found in us, not merely through believing on Him.

Yes, maybe it's in one of those "other" gospels that Paul says whoever teaches them is accursed.

 

[npetreley]

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law

And, almost as though he were writing specifically about the ME heresy, Pauls says in Romans 10:

For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Again, as if to directly contradict ME...

Phil 3:7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

LOL! I just saw that James used the same scripture as if it supports ME. Delusion.