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How to spot a liberal?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Rufus_1611, Jun 28, 2007.

  1. Rufus_1611

    Rufus_1611 New Member

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    What are the defining characteristics which makes one a "liberal"?
     
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    They don't like Fox News. Oh, and they think the constitution is in charge of the president.
     
  3. Salty

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    They like to use neutral terms like "moderate". They do not like to be called liberal.

    This goes right back to my thoughts on "L.E.F.T." Liberal education for terminology. ie Pro choice instead of abortion, Gay instead of homosexual, and ect
     
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    Anyone to the left...or the right...of me.
     
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    Are you claiming that the President is above the Constitution? I don't agree with that. I think that's why we have the option of impeachment.
     
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    They're always threatening to impeach the President Bush.
     
  7. TomVols

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    They support Ron Paul :laugh: Just kidding.

    I am not huge on labels. However, I see more liberalism in the Dems than in the GOP. However, the GOP is not without its liberal elements, both in platform and personality.
     
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    These people are hacks.
     
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    How to SPOT a liberal?

    Squirt black ink on it.
     
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    Whomever occupies the presidency should always have the fear of impeachment hanging over him, just as the threat of being voted out of office is to constantly hang over the members of Congress, and just as the threat of the Congress restricting the jurisdiction of the federal courts should constantly hang over the heads of the federal judges/justices. It is how the Founding Fathers intended for the system to work. They wanted all three branches of the federal government to be equal, not for one of them to be above the other two - and certainly not above the people but to be the servants of the people.
     
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    Agreed, but the cry for impeachment should not be based on the whims of political hacks looking for payback.

    Makes me long for British Parliament. Bush should have to come to the House Floor and answer to the Congress at least monthly.
     
  12. KenH

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    Wouldn't that be fun. :laugh:
     
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    a "liberal," IMO...
    • values group identity (e.g., racial, gender, "sexual preference," etc.,) over individualism;
    • believes the government is the grantor of rights and liberties (rather than recognizing inalienable rights given by the Creator); thus,
    • looks to government before individuals for solutions to problems faced in society;
    • tends to favor centralized government over decentralized;
    • is spooked by absolutes.
     
  14. Rufus_1611

    Rufus_1611 New Member

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    That's a solid list.
     
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    What is a liberal? Well, in my opinion, it's a person who.....
    • is pro-choice
    • is a proponent of gay rights
    • believes that money is the great problem solver
    • cannot "define" pornography
    • believes in situational ethics (which means no ethics)
     
  16. Magnetic Poles

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    While I consider myself a fiscal moderate / conservative and a social liberal / progressive, I think some of the items on these lists are way off base.
    • is pro-choice
    While I don't believe in abortion as birth control, I don't see it as totally black and white. I also don't view blastocysts as having rights over human beings already here
    • is a proponent of gay rights
    I am a proponent of human rights for ALL people
    • believes that money is the great problem solver
    Money doesn't solve all problems, but it sure helps quite a few of them. Ask a mom without money to feed her kids, the elderly person who has to choose between medicine and food, the dad who can't get a needed operation because he cannot be off work.
    • cannot "define" pornography
    Seems to me that sexually exploitive material pandering to the lustful nature would fit the bill. Yet I don't believe it is the government's business to regulate what adults can and cannot read or view.

    • believes in situational ethics (which means no ethics)
    Situational ethics DOES NOT mean no ethics. I think everyone believes this at some level. Lying is wrong, but we all do it, to be tactful, to not hurt someone, or to prevent some greater harm. Some situations IS a choice of the lesser of two evils.
    • values group identity (e.g., racial, gender, "sexual preference," etc.,) over individualism;
    I don't know any liberal who believes that, and I know many.
    • believes the government is the grantor of rights and liberties (rather than recognizing inalienable rights given by the Creator); thus,
    Again, this is total fabrication. I, and liberals I know, believe that we have rights by virtue of our humanity. The government does not grant liberty, but it should have a hand in protecting and preserving it.
    • looks to government before individuals for solutions to problems faced in society;
    Some problems can be better solved collectively. Do we each want to build our own roads, drill and refine our own petroleum, give ourselves surgery? Goverment is a superset of "We the People". This doesn't negate the power and ability of a determined individual.
    • tends to favor centralized government over decentralized;
    This is not a liberal v. conservative argument at all. More of a continuation of a debate that has gone on since the founding of the nation.
    • is spooked by absolutes.
    That one doesn't even make sense. There are many absolutes. There are also many shades of gray in some matters. The world is not all binary.

     
  17. Scarlett O.

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    My concern is not whether you agree with my "liberal list" or not. The OP asked our opinion and I gave mine.

    But in your assertion that I am "way off base"......I must disagree.

    You can only consciously "choose" to have an abortion if you are aware that you are pregnant. You only know if you are pregnant if there is a certain bodily function that ceases. This certain bodily function only ceases when there is implantation of a blastocyst on the wall of the uterus and therefore being called an embryo. A blastocyst is a ball of cells that contain the joined sperm/egg before implantation.....ergo, before one is pregnant by the medical definition and LONG before the mother is even aware that blastocyst has even formed in her body.

    Blastocysts implant themselves on or about the 5th day after conception. One is never aware of a blastocyst. One is only aware of the ceasing of a certain bodily function after the embryo has begun development.

    One cannot "choose" to get rid of a blastocyst, because by the time one is aware of being pregnant, the blastocyst has long since been attached to the uterus and is now forming a human being and is called an embryo.

    Pro-choice is being conscious of one's pregnancy (embryonic phase and more typically a fetus) and choosing to terminate the life already in progress of developing.

    By the time this decision can be made......the blastocyst is no longer an issue.

    ??? I wasn't speaking about human rights. I could tell you about the profound international human rights activism that I am involved in, but that would not be pertinent to the OP nor would it be ethical for me to disclose.

    I am talking about "rights" granted to people based on characteristics that have nothing whatsoever to do with their humanity, but their sexual preference, sexual identity, and/or sexual transformations.

    You and I are speaking two different languages. I was not addressing people in genuine need nor was I addressing the call for philanthropy.

    I was addressing the false hope that money solves everything. You, yourself, said that it didn't. What on earth do people with genuine physical needs have to do with the philosophy that money will solve all of our problems?

    Again, we are not talking about the same thing. I said a liberal is someone who cannot define pornography. (or won't)

    But since you brought is up......just who should regulate the production and distribution of reading/viewing material with images of children being molested? Or women being tortured? Or people in general being, as you say, "sexually exploited."

    A choosing of the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil. Situational ethics, for the majority of people, means that the rules are meant for everyone except me. And that if I choose the lesser of two evils, then I'm OK. That is not biblical.

    Lying, even to be tactful.....is still lying. I know, because I, myself, have lied to be tactful.
     
  18. Salty

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    I am very conservative, yet I am pro-choice! I believe a woman ( or a man) has the right ( or should) over their own body - therefore should not be required to wear a car seat belt!
    Salty
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    ps, that is what you mean by pro choice dont you?
     
  19. Salty

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    I am very conservative, yet I am pro-choice! I believe a woman ( or a man) has the right ( or should) over their own body - therefore should not be required to wear a car seat belt!
    Salty
    Certified driving instructor

    ps, that is what you mean by pro choice; dont you?
     
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    I was referring to stem cell research, which many "pro-lifers" are against. You missed the point.



    Sorry, but sexual identity IS part of humanity. I am FOR equality and equal rights for everyone; gay or straight, man or woman, etc. Again, you missed the point.

    I don't know of anyone who believes it will, therefore I believe your argument to be a strawman. Again, you missed the point.



    Kiddy porn, torture and other such horrors were not part of the discussion. Again, you missed the point.
    No matter the denials, EVERYONE uses situational ethics. It has no bearing on liberal v. conservative. Yet again, you missed the point.

    Bottom line there is a continuum. Reactionaries want to go backwards. Conservatives resist change. Moderates are in the middle, and are open to some progressive changes in society. Progressives are more open to change, and liberals want to make changes at a much quicker rate. At least that is how I see it.


    In practical terms, it seems to me that what is commonly called conservative is just mean spirited people who have no love of their fellow human beings, and the term liberal is used to villify those who don't agree. I find that sad. The polarization of American politics is doing no one any good. People need to find middle ground as has always been done in the past. There's a conservative statement for you.

     
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