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Hypocrisy within our families or close-knit groups

Discussion in 'Other Discussions' started by Alcott, Nov 11, 2017.

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  1. No-- we should say exactly what we feel or think-- or say nothing

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  2. No, not hypocrisy-- but simple good manners are just proper, even if not absolutely sincere

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  3. NOBODY always says what he/she really thinks-- or else he/she would have no friends

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  4. It's alright to portray a 'best foot forward' image of oneself

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  5. It's alright to be less than honest if the purpose is to avoid hurting someone's feelings

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  6. If a woman asks, it's alright to tell her without honesty she 'does not look fat in that outfit'

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  7. It's alright to say a perceived average job sounds great-- if you're being interviewed for that job

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  8. As love covers a multitude of sins, love for an 'Aunt Martha' covers insincerity of actions

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  9. We shoud be unconcerned about offending people-- as Jesus was unconcerned about it

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  10. To be insincere to avoid hurt feelings is feeding the subject's ego-- a Christian should not do this

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  1. Alcott

    Alcott Well-Known Member
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    I think we've covered similar topics before, but should we ever give a false presentation of what we think, feel, or intend in order to 'keep peace' within our close groups or families or to avoid hurting sensitive peoples' feelings?

    I'm thinking of 2 classic TV sitcoms to illustrate how this scenario, of which similar incidents may have happened to us...

    In the Leave it to Beaver episode, "The Visiting Aunts," the boys make plans for going to a carnival at noon on a Saturday, and tell their friends that their dad will take them in his car. Unknown to them, their mother's Aunt Martha has called and said she and a friend will be dropping by later that morning "for a little while." The boys' mother tells them they can't disappoint her aunt who was so 'wonderful' to her when she was young, so the parents insist the boys get all dressed up and pretend they have nothing else to do. After it's finally over-- their 'little while' turned out to be close to 3 hours, including lunch-- the boys refuse their dad's offer to take them to the carnival then they go to their room just to sulk to let them know they resent what they were compelled to do.

    In an Andy Griffith Show episode, Andy is alone for a couple of days, but childish "Goober" hears about it and comes to stay with him so he won't be *lonely*. Goober forgets a couple of telephone messages, then gets them mixed up when he remembers them, and after serving Andy a spaghetti dinner, tells him he is invited to dinner at the house of Howard and his mother. Not wanting to appear ungrateful, Andy goes to their house and they make an extra dinner for him-- spaghetti again-- not telling him that they did not invite him (Howard had called about a completely different matter), but not wanting to embarrass him. After Andy returns home, he gets a call from his girlfriend, Helen, asking him where he is-- it was she who invited him to dinner with a former colleague of hers, and they were waiting for him. He says he will be right over, and threatens Goober for having forgotten the messages, then confusing who said what. And the dinner is spaghetti again! But keeping it hidden that he has already had 2 spaghetti dinners, he still tries to eat it, with Helen demanding "Eat!" after she went to so much trouble and delay.

    In the Leave it to Beaver example, it can be asking a lot of kids to visit with 'old fogey' relatives when they want to go to a carnival, bu it's only part of one day. Many or most of us have gone through something like this-- putting on forced manners, maybe dressing up, for those old fashioned grandparents or aunts and uncles, to show that we're a cut above those ill-mannered, disrespectful young people of today (whatever generation we're talking about when we were kids). But the Andy Griffith Show example is different. Would we eat 3 spaghetti dinners just to cover a clown's mistake and appear polite and grateful? I'm sure I wouldn't.

    Bu how far should we go-- or insist that our children go-- to make someone else happy or to keep peace? To the point of outright hypocisy?.. even lying?
     
  2. Earth Wind and Fire

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    You have touched on something here worthy of discussion. Lets look at some other words for hypocrisy....gentility and tolerance and regard for neighbor and self-restraint and self-discipline. Without these, could humans live together for a single hour without killing each other?
     
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    People can't live together without something overtly condemned by Jesus?
     
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    I don’t understand that commentary. Please explain.
     
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    People who know me fully know not to ask a question unless they want my SINCERE answer.
     
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    You characterized hypocrisy, then asked,"Without these, could humans live together for a single hour without killing each other?"--rhetorically, by your tone.So you seem to be saying humans would all kill each other without hypocrisy.
     
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    Yes, and I am firmly convinced it’s the mother of all sins (if you want to loop it back to your earlier Sin thread). We are all guilty of it.
     
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    Okay, it is a sin... but Yes or No: is hypocrisy a necessity to live in society?
     
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    Yes.. in a sinful world.
     
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    Absolutely not. Hypocrisy is not necessary to live in society.

    Google's definition of hypocrisy is accurate: "the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform". If we did not have abiding sin we would never struggle with the temptation to be hypocritical, but that is not your question. Your question is whether hypocrisy is a necessity? If it is necessary than Paul's admonition to walk by the Spirit (Gal. 5:16) was written in vain. We have the resident Holy Spirit and we are quite capable of walking in Him. It is not necessary to be hypocrites. That said, we are to be wise as serpents. There are times when we should speak boldly and there are times when we should use discretion. There will be times when our faith will be tested and the choice between obedience and disobedience is clear. May God give us the strength to stand firm in such times without equivocation.
     
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    Wise as serpents! Use Discretion! Ohhhh, what do you believe Christ is implying here? I would like an answer.
     
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    "It is no wonder, Satan himself is become an angel of light" See II Cor. 11: 13-15.

    Tell someone about the real Jesus of John 14:6, and see what happens to your social life.

    That which comes out of Hollywood, Pinewood, etc. is hypocritical by nature. The root of the word hypocrite is acting or pretending.

    "What the world needs now is love, sweet love..." God gave us Jesus--we crucified Him. Now what?

    Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

    Bro. James
     
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    It does not go unnoticed by me the difference between the non Calvinist & the Calvinist. Quite interesting ....I for one claim to be both a sinner & a scoundrel. Tell me, do either of you two believe that Jesus is an idealist?

    And to provide some context to the question,please see attached.

    What is the definition of idealism?
     
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    Being slow to speak is not hypocrisy. Neither is refraining from casting one's pearls before swine. Know your audience, and behave accordingly.
     
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