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  1. salzer mtn

    salzer mtn Well-Known Member

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    When the truly saved man looks to his own life for assurance, most of the time he finds none. It is when we look outside ourselves and fix our eyes on Christ that saves sinners, the assurance will come. The devil was often tempting Martin Luther and whispering, look at your life you can't be a Christian , your just a low down sinner. Martin would cut off the devils head with his own sword and say, yes i'm a sinner but praise God, Christ came into this world to save sinners.
     
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    salzer mtn Well-Known Member

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    A lot of different beliefs claim they believe what the bible states but not all are right.
     
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    I look to Spurgeon, one of the greatest reformed Baptist pastors of the last five centuries, for a response to this issue of whether it is God's sovereignty or our own free will that saves us, and ... guess what? Spurgeon didn't bother to debate it. He simply believed both are true:

    "This doctrine is as much God's Word as the other. You ask me to reconcile the two. I answer, they do not want any reconcilement; I never tried to reconcile them to myself, because I could never see a discrepancy. If you begin to put fifty or sixty quibbles to me, I cannot give any answer. Both are true; no two truths can be inconsistent with each other; and what you have to do is to believe them both. With the first one, the saint has most to do. Let him praise the free and sovereign grace of God, and bless his name. With the second, the sinner has the most to do. O sinner, humble thyself under the mighty hand of God, when thou thinkest of how often he hath shown his love to thee, by bidding thee come to himself, and yet how often thou hast spurned his Word and refused his mercy, and turned a deaf ear to every invitation, and hast gone thy way to rebel against a God of love, and violate the commands of him that loved thee.

    "And now, how shall I conclude? My first exhortation shall be to Christian people. My dear friends, I beseech you do not in any way give yourselves lip to any system of faith apart from the Word of God. The Bible, and the Bible alone, is the religion of Protestants; I am the successor of the great and venerated Dr. Gill, whose theology is almost universally received among the stronger Calvinistic churches; but although I venerate his memory, and believe his teachings, yet he is not my Rabbi. What you find in God's Word is for you to believe and to receive. Never be frightened at a doctrine; and above all, never be frightened at a name. Some one said to me the other day, that he thought the truth lay somewhere between the two extremes. He meant right, but I think he was wrong, I do not think the truth lies between the two extremes, but in them both. I believe the higher a man goes the better, when he is preaching the matter of salvation. The reason why a man is saved is grace, grace, grace; and you may go as high as you like there. But when you come to the question as to why men are damned, then the Arminian is far more right than the Antinomian. I care not for any denomination or party, I am as high as Huntingdon upon the matter of salvation, but question me about damnation, and you will get a very different answer. By the grace of God I ask no man's applause, I preach the Bible as I find it. Where we get wrong is where the Calvinist begins to meddle with the question of damnation, and interferes with the justice of God; or when the Arminian denies the doctrine of grace."

    http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0207.htm

    Who am I to attempt to go where Spurgeon would not? Man is responsible, God is sovereign. End of discussion.
     
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    salzer mtn Well-Known Member

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    When a person looks to Christ and him alone, then Christ is his salvation. Salvation is not in a plan but in a person.
     
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    Thanks (not) for utterly failing to either read or understand my post.

    :BangHead:
     
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    salzer mtn Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for trying to derail the subject.
     
  7. Yeshua1

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    But where are we commanded to look to see Christ in? the Bible!
     
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    My post was spot on. As to yours ... [​IMG]
     
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    salzer mtn Well-Known Member

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    Your right but unless the Spirit guides you into all truth, you will be like the CoC when they read the bible.
     
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    yep, but my assumption here is that this is one of the Elect, really been saved, who wants and needs assurance!
     
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    Simple.....the Holy Spirit is a supernatural confirmation. Goofy! ;)
     
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