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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by loDebar, May 13, 2019.

  1. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    What do you know about Greek?
     
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    What do you know about it? I have a good Interlinear Bible.
    From the YLT Act 13:48 And the nations hearing were glad, and were glorifying the word of the Lord, and did believe—as many as were appointed to life age-during;

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    It says the same as the rest of the translations.
     
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    Read it again. Maybe you are so convinced in your own mind it makes you see what you expect.
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    What is the best translation? Let's read from it. Take your pick and tell why.
     
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    There is no perfect translation. There are some that are better than others. I'm not an expert in Greek. So I like everyone else depend on the experts for proper translation. Young's Literal translation is literal and accurate to the text it was taken from. I have the interlinear and it show clearly exactly what each Greek word means. In fact the KJV actually leaves a few words out according to the Interlinear.
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    then here is a choice to believe or not?
     
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    It is not a command to believe but extensive invitation to believe in Him in order to be saved
     
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    He was talking to those those who had just believed
     
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    Yes In his salad dressing....do ya like stuffed grape leaves? :Biggrin
     
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    please show this, I do not see it, Strong's does not show this
     
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    The invitation to believe, includes if one does not believe, continue to Hell
     
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    Strongs doesn't have everything. It's more like a Dictionary
    If you have the E-sword bible program you can look it up your self. If not down load it. It has 20 different versions plus some in different languages.
    You may be able to buy one at a Christian book store It's the Young's Literal Translation. Also says the same thing in Green's interlinear Greek tp English This one has the Greek written out with the English Translation of each word under each Greek word so that you have one line of Greek and one line in English under it.
    The verse is in post# 62 this thread. I cut and Pasted it from Young's.
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    I know it seems most on here are Calvinist. I am Not one of them. I believe man has a choice to either believe or not. The rejection of Christ by the Jews prove this is true.
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    I have enjoyed and recommended the YLT for years

    "The word Belief comes before the word appointed" This is wrong. I cant find any relationship.

    "Please provide your backup
     
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    Telling the reason they believed.
     
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    The gospel is preached (announced), never offered as a law for the self-righteous to save themselves by.
     
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    Where does scripture say that? This has to be your own opinion
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    This is silly pure philosophy, but let's go. I make a car. I can control it. That doesn't mean I have to. That doesn't mean I can't hand it to someone else who can do whatever he wants to with it.

    Your philosophical argument was just so bad, I had to pipe in.
     
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