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I'm a Calvinist. Change My Mind.

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by thatbrian, Jan 4, 2018.

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  1. thatbrian

    thatbrian Well-Known Member
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    What is the gospel?

    Are you saying that God saves apart from His Word?

    How, specifically, does He do that?
     
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    Yet another person who only quotes certain passages from Scripture, which seem to support what they believe, but again fail to take the other relevant passages that say otherwise!

    "He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name" (John 1:11-12)

    Very simple but powerful passage that one and for all destroys the MYTH of humans not having a FREE WILL!

    Here we are told that sinful humans have the ABILITY (which requires the WILL to be FREE) to either "REJECT" or "ACCEPT" the Gospel of their salvation! I think that a great lack of understanding of the Hebrew, Greek and even English languages, causes many to not get what the Bible really says!
     
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    Bingo, lol
     
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    How many pages of Finney's 600+ p. systemic theology have you read?
     
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    "First, I didn't start this thread because I literally thought that someone would change my mind"

    Not even God through the Bible?
     
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    As opposed to you, right? Lol
     
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    Can someone figuratively change their mind?
     
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    you make no sense here?
     
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    You can't be THAT slow. I was referencing how silly it is to say that one didn't 'literally' mean changing their mind.
    What's the alternative --to figuratively change one's mind?
     
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    Yes, I see it! I am getting older! :Biggrin
     
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    Wow, everyone who is not "reformed in his soteriology" is errant in everything he teaches. Wow, just, wow. At least now we know what you really think. And you are here to enlighten everyone. Thank you, oh master theologian, for correcting all the heresies of everyone who doesn't believe like yourself. NOT!
     
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    All doctrines are interwoven.
     
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    Yes. As opposed to me, and that's a fairly low bar.
     
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    That is exactly why the Church is in such a mess! You got the "super" christians like the "calvinists/reformed", who "theology" has little to do with what the Bible actually teaches, make really dumb statements about those who do not agree with their MISUSE of the Holy Bible! They distort the meanings of words, like "world" in John 3:16, which some take as equivalent to "elect"! In 2 Peter 2:1, they also argue that "bought" does not mean "purchase/redeem", but some secondary meaning! Some even on here are still arguing against the Greek text of Luke 22:21, which clearly states that Judas did take part in the Lord's Supper, a fact also admitted by Matthew Henry and John Gill, whom they dismiss! It is a SHAME for those who willfully pervert the Message of the Bible for personal gain! I just read something online by John Piper on the "bondage of the will", where he even quotes the Greek, and then gives his OWN meaning to the word, which is not even supported by ONE Greek lexicon! This is the depths these sink to to keep on deceiving themselves and if they can, others, with their WARPED theology!
     
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    Only if you are blinded by the errors of "reformed" theology!
     
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    Dear Ones Beloved of the Father,

    Two points on these issues may be helpful. Both demand a little Systematic Theology.

    First, Paul says in Ephesians 2 that we, that is the natural man, is dead in trespasses and sins.

    Second, Jesus said, of Himself, in John 11 that he was the resurrection.

    Conclusion, for someone to be "born again" or "born from above" they must be resurrected. How can dead men raise themselves to life? How is it that dead men "exercise their free will" in spiritual matters?

    It seems the Scripture says we love him because he first loved us. Or can I assume that this statement has nothing to do with God's initiatory step as "author and finisher" of our faith.

    Thank you and please think on that.

    rd
     
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    Are your doctrinal positions not interrelated?
     
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    Because there is a big difference between physical and spiritual dead! The former are totally "dead", and can do nothing. The latter are NOT totally "dead", as they are still in the image of God, which represents the spiritual and moral aspects in man. God will hardly tell ALL to "choose this day whom you will serve", if they cannot, because they are dead and incapable! Reformed "theology" is very far from the Word of God on such issues!
     
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    I don't have all my doctrines 100% right, which is what the Calvinists/Reformed, think they have!
     
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    I asked: Are your doctrinal positions not interrelated? I did not ask if they were perfect. What I mean is, what you think about God affects your view of sin, and you're view of sin and that impacts what you think regarding salvation. . .

    Also, I have never met a person who thinks his doctrine is "100% right", and I know a lot of Reformed folks.
     
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