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Featured In Defense of Social Justice

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Zog Has-fallen, Mar 14, 2019.

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  1. Zog Has-fallen

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    So Anglicans and Episcopalians have accused anabaptists of being communists? On what basis?
     
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    I understand you might imagine this, but it is beyond the pale of responsibility or ability for a worldly government, especially from a biblical perspective. However, I suspect you actually mean something other than fair, in other words something very unfair. Most socialists and communists do.
    And this is precisely where your fantasy world falls apart. You have no worldly Christian nation founded on strictly Christian principles governing a strictly Christian populace, do you? No, you don’t, and you will never have one, especially that prerequisite third item.

    Nevertheless, that said, if you ever do happen to convert everyone to Christ, I will reconsider.:)
     
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    I never said or implied that the entire populace had to be Christian. Furthermore, I'm the first to confess that true social justice as defined by Scripture is purely academic because mighty Babylon the Great isn't going to allow it. Consequently, you're not addressing the right audience. Explain it to the Christian fascists that lust for war and a share in world control and believe at the same time that this is a Christian nation.
     
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    What can I say? You are a master at ignoring posts and providing non sequitur. I think anyone reading the exchange can understand the disconnect, if he wants. As I’ve indicated before, it would be far better to first focus on 1 John, then keep it in mind while delving into Revelation.

    By the way, I do agree that the world system is corrupt, and lament that the free world has so enriched communist China, when there is still such persecution of believers. And it is not the only such place.
     
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    I'm very happy with that and hopefully the forum administrators will overlook your defamatory statements and encourage the exercise of individual judgment.

    2 Corinthians 3:17
    Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
     
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    But to be accurate you should have.
    I'm not controlling the audience. This is all publicly viewable. And this discussion is not purely academic.

    There is worldwide mass murder of babies in the womb and many Christians are speaking out against it. However, other Christians seem so concerned with satisfying their own greed or that of others that they actually encourage such slaughter in the name of "progress" and "social justice." Their priorities are backward.
     
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    Yes, but let's not focus on the sins of Seventh-day Adventists exclusively. There are many other sanctimonious enablers of genocide.
     
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    My own righteousness is at absolute zero, but by God's grace I am cloaked in the righteousness of my Savior. What SDA leaders think or do is irrelevant to my spiritual standing. Not sure what the purpose was in your above post; comparing ourselves in spiritual matters to anyone but Christ will lead us astray.
     
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    The link points to my Scriptural defense. And I've said this many times: All conclusions depend upon presuppositions. I take it as an axiom that the Scriptures are true and define social justice accordingly. Those who let the enemies of God take the high ground and accept their definitions of social justice are free to compromise with the world all they like. I believe their course is a traitorous strategy. I am not willing to betray Jesus Christ by making counterproductive concessions to the enemies of the gospel who unquestionably distort a Scriptural definition of true social justice. As for me and my fellowship, we will serve the Lord.
     
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    Are you saying that you oppose Christ's warning in Matthew 5:20 and any application of that warning by a Spirit-filled prophet-trainee whenever that true Christian encounters an obvious likeness to modern day Pharisees and teachers of the law?
     
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    How does the "socialist world order" that you dread in your unquestionably unfounded fantasies compare to the real endtime world order in Revelation 18?
     
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    The issue here, I believe, is that you seem to repudiate modus ponens. Either the principles of all logically admissible governments are equally righteous/(unrighteous) or some governing principles are better than others. If you don't believe that the best government actually attainable by mortals would be guided by Christian principles (as I assert), then please define the governing principles of your ideal fantasy government that would most effectively restrain our sinful race in our present circumstances. Perhaps you secretly believe that Sharia law or the Noahide laws are just as good as the Christian principles I cited from Scripture. Shame on you.
     
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    You seem to overlook the fact that in the NT Books written to the Church we are NOT told to correct social injustices!. Instead, we are to live transformed lives -- full of the Holy Spirit -- and care for fellow believers, NOT the anti-God world of sinners.
     
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    I am disappointed that you offer no scripture references to validate your statement.
     
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    Why is it that the Apostle Paul never commends "the Good Samaritan" or tells his readers to do anything similar to what Jesus told His audiences? Could it be that Jesus "came unto His own" (Jn 1:1) and ministered to them as their Messiah? When the Jews rejected Him, things changed when the gospel of God's grace was preached to Jews but also (mainly) to Gentiles.
     
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    Where did I say to "correct social injustices!".

    You have falsely accused me.
     
  19. Zog Has-fallen

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    Let me guess: You're on the same side with those Seventh-day Adventist leaders in post #5 that teach that social justice is some sort of diabolical satanic plot? Where is your Scripture for that?
     
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    Forgive me if I read you wrong. I did not intend to misrepresent you.
    Do you, then, believe that Bible-believers today are to try to correct social injustice -- or not? Personally, I don't see Paul commanding or commending that or anything similar -- or rebuking believers for not doing it.
     
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