"In God We Trust" a violation of "church-state separation"?

Then youve got bigger troubles than worrying what is stamped on coins.

 

Although I don't generally think of it, whenever I do, "In God We Trust" tends to offend me because I see it as an insincere hijacking of God. I personally think it should be removed on these grounds.

Constitutionally, I consider it to be on shaky ground. I think the basic argument is that religion is endorsed through the phrase on the currency, and I don't see how that can be disputed legitimately. One can argue that no particular religion is endorsed, but the fact that religion itself is officially endorsed on the currency causes problems.

I'm a strange one, I guess. I prefer to keep government as far away from religion as possible.

 

Maybe we should trade with rocks and shells then.

 

Think perhaps the Christians of the Roman Empire refused to use the money that had the image of Caesar; since some of them (Caesar) were regarded as gods ?

Doubt it, they (Christians ) just spent the money like any ole normal Roman would; no religious coersion involved!

 

If libs would agree to revoke all of the unconstitutional stuff they have gotten passed or are trying to pass, ie. Great Society programs, gov't funding of abortion, violation of property and conscience rights through anti-discrimination laws, direct taxation, public schools, etc... I would gladly acquiesce on this issue.

 

Indeed. The establishment clause if Amendment I is clear and concise. Though some argue that "separation of church and state" is liberal, it is actually a liberal view to deny and ignore the Amendment I establishment clause. </font>[/QUOTE]The establishment clause's purpose is to prevent government control of religion or forced funding/submission to a particular sect and to preserve freedom of conscience. It was not designed to prevent men of strong religious conviction from asserting those values in the political arena.

Of course that was all in a time when education, charity, and establishment of social values were viewed as the territory of the church and family... and none of government's business.

Both the welfare state and public schools are violations of the establishment clause by the paradigm of the Founders.

 

Don't you get it, FTR?

The REAL problem these people have is that it's the Judeo-Christian God, not inclusive of all the other gods. Or, if it was buddha or mohammed, you'd never hear a peep about the imaginary wall.

 

Very well said - especially about the public schools being in violation of the establishment clause. Humanism is the 'official' government-backed religion that is being established through the public education system, isn't it?

 

No In God we Trust is not unconstitional. It never has been nor will it ever will be. For the record, there is no scuch thing as Separation Of Church and State. That is a myth from the pits of Hell. Separation of Church and State was in a Letter that Thomas Jeffersson had in 1802. Go to www.google.com and type in Separation oF Church and State. There are some interesting articles as well as the truth there.
Faithgirl

 

Unfortunately, the "interesting articles" tend not to be the truth. </font>[/QUOTE]I was only talking about the interesting, Godly aritcles.
Faithgirl46

 

It's not unconstitutional.

 

Would any of you honestly be upset if we had "In the gods we trust" on the money?

I know I would! Nevertheless, it would be just as generic, and according to the arguments here, constitutional.

 

OK just change it to Allah instead of God, it means the same thing, right? Or we could randomly print "God" or "Allah" on alternate bills . . . . then we'll be really politically correct.

(Thats a spoof. really, just leave it alone folks!)

 

Thank you.
Faithgirl46