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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Dave, Jan 27, 2013.

  1. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
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    Here's a song by LeCrae called "Don't Waste Your Life" (yep - from John Piper). I think the words are spot on!

    I know a lot of people that are scared they gon' die,
    Couple of 'em thinkin' they'll be livin' in the sky
    While I'm here livin' man I gotta ask why,
    What am I here for I gotta figure out,
    Waste my life, no I gotta make it count,
    If Christ is real then what am I gon do about,
    Everything in Luke 12:15 down to 21 ya really gotta go and check it out,
    Paul said if Christ aint resurrected we wasted our lives,
    Well that implies that our lives built around Jesus being alive,
    Everyday I'm livin tryna to show the world why,
    Christ is more than anything you'll ever try,
    Better than pretty women and sinning and living to get a minute of any woman and men that you admire
    It aint no lie!
    We created for Him,
    Outta of the dust he made us for Him,
    Elects us and he saves us for Him,
    Jesus comes and he raises for Him,
    Magnify the Father, why bother with something lesser?
    He made us so we could bless Him, (Bless Him)
    To the world we confess Him,
    Resurrects Him,
    So I know I got life,
    Matter fact better man I know I got Christ,
    If you don't see His ways in my days and my nights,
    You can hit my breaks you can stop my lights,
    Man I lost my rights, lost my life,
    Forget the money, cars and toss that ice,
    The cost is Christ,
    And they can never offer me anything on the planet that'll cost that price

    Suffer, yeah, do it for Christ,
    You're tryna to figure out what to do with ya life,
    You make a lot of money hope your doin' it right,
    Because the money is God's, you better steward it right,
    Stay focused, you ain't got no ride,
    Your life ain't wrapped up in what you drive,
    The clothes you wear, the job you work,
    The color your skin, nah you're Christian first,
    People think they livin for a job,
    Make a little money start living for a car,
    Get em a wife, a house, kids and a dog,
    Then they retire, they living high on the hog,
    But guess what? They didn't ever really live at all,
    To live is Christ, and that's Paul I recall,
    To die is gain and for Christ we give it all,
    He's the treasure you'll never find in a mall,
    See your money, your singleness, marriage, talents, your time,
    They were loanin you to show the world that Christ is divine,
    That's why it's Christ in my rhymes,
    That's why it's Christ all the time,
    See my whole world is built around Him,
    He's the life in my lines,
    I refused to waste my life,
    He's too true to chase that ice,
    Here's my gift and time,
    'Cause I'm constantly tryna to be used to praise the Christ,
    If He's truly raised to life,
    Then this news should change your life,
    And by His grace you can put your faith in the place that rules your days and nights
    YES!


    More lyrics: http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/l/lecrae/
     
  2. annsni

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    Stand up, stand up for Jesus, ye soldiers of the cross
    Lift high the royal banner, it must not suffer loss
    From victory unto victory His army shall He lead
    Til every foe is vanquished and Christ is Lord indeed

    Stand up, stand up for Jesus, the trumpet call obey
    Forth to the mighty conflict in this His glorious day
    Ye that are men now serve Him against unnumbered foes
    Let courage rise with danger, and strength to strength oppose

    Stand up, stand up for Jesus, stand in His strength alone
    This arm of flesh will faith you, ye dare not trust your own
    Put on the gospel armor, each piece put on with prayer
    Where duty calls or danger, be never wanting there

    Stand up, stand up for Jesus, the strife will not be long
    This day the noise of battle, the next the victor's song
    To Him that overcometh, a crown of life shall be
    He with the King of glory, shall reign eternally.


    Where does it exalt men??
     
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    THis board did not exist that far back. In fact Al Gore had not even invented the internet then. We should all give thanks he did not sell it to one of the global warming crowd.
     
  4. salzer mtn

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    In the first stanza the song gives you the oppinion if man don't stand up all will be lost or it's left up to man to vanquish the enemies of Christ. In the last stanza the song gives you the oppinion we don't overcome by the blood of the lamb but we recieve a crown by our stand which would be considered in my oppinion good works of men. I think the hidden meaning of the whole song is to rob God of his glory and give it to a good soldier.
     
  5. annsni

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    I guess you didn't read the third verse.

    The song is clear. James 1:12 says "Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him."

    I don't see anything in this song that is unscriptural or where it is to rob God of his glory.
     
  6. salzer mtn

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    James 1:12 is one of those scriptures in the bible that a Arminian would point to and declare salvation is of the works of man. Some church services are more like football rallies than a place to worship God. In Rev 5:9-10 they sung a new song. This song they sung did not glorify man but God, here are the words: Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals therof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by the blood out of every kindred and tongue, and people and nation. And hast MADE US unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. When i sing in a church service, my whole business of being there is to sing the kind of songs as if i was standing before his throne.
     
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    I think this is a limitation on what worship in a fallen world is to be...it also has a horizontal aspect, including...

    Col 3:16 - "teaching and admonishing one another"

    Eph. 3:16 - "addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs" ...in addition to singing to the Lord.

    In heaven, music will be completely devoted to God...here on earth, it is to be addressed to each other as well, for our encouragement, admonition, and education.
     
  8. salzer mtn

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    Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another is psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. This teaching and admonishing one another is not about one another, but about the Lord, and to the Lord. The posture of the heart before God in a worship service is to bow down like the Publican that stood afar off and would not no much as lift his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. The Pharisee, on the other hand not only stood in stature but also in heart and commended himself in all things and condemned others. If the Pharisee sung a song that day i'm sure it was stand up, stand up, stand up.
     
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    It is both...The text in both verses clearly says admonishing "one another." & "addressing one another." We are also told to sing "to the Lord." so it's both. We aren't admonishing or teaching God. One purpose of corporate worship is the edification of the saints...it is what distiguishes it from private worship. I believe it is mistaken to tell a gathered church, when worshiping, to "imagine it's just you and God, no one else here." It they do that, why gather in the first place?

    As far as the pharisee illustration...I'm not sure what point you are trying to make...If we stand up when praying we are sinning?
     
  10. salzer mtn

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    I guess a worship service has different meanings to different people. To some, a worship service is important to them because they think they have done God a favor by showing up. They come with the attitude that God cannot do or accomplish anything without their help. Some people have a very good oppinion about themselves when they come to a so called worship service and also when they leave. Why call it a worship service if we are not there to worship God. If i truly worship God i have came into His presence by entering into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise, i am thankful unto him, and bless his name. When we pray, we should first of all, before we ask anything we should glorify his name, as our Father which art in heaven hallowed be thy name. I think a person can only worship God accordingly of how he understands the grace that it took to save him. He that is forgiven much, loveth much. Beware of services that promotes the words I, You, We.
     
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    GREAT POST...except that end part...avoiding certain words is not the issue.

    I am a wicked sinner who owes MY salvation wholly the grace of God in Christ. I cannot save myself. YOU, come sing a new song to the lord with ME, for he has done great things for US. WE are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
     
  12. salzer mtn

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    I'm only human, I'm just a man/woman
    Help me believe in what I could be
    And all that I am
    Show me the stairway I have to climb
    Lord for my sake, help me to take
    One day at a time

    One day at a time sweet Jesus
    That's all I'm askin' of you
    Just give me the strength
    To do every day what I have to do
    Yesterday's gone sweet Jesus
    And tomorrow may never be mine
    Lord, help me today, show me the way
    One day at a time This song sung by Christy Lane, wrote by kris Kristoffison was a favorite of the works crowd.
     
  13. salzer mtn

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    why me lord?
    what have i ever done,
    to deserve even one,
    of the pleasure i've known,
    tell me lord,
    what did i ever do,
    that was worth lovin' you,
    for the kindness you've shown,

    chorus:
    lord help me Jesus,
    i've wasted it so help me Jesus,
    i know what i am,
    but now that i know,
    that i needed you so help me Jesus,
    my souls in your hand,

    verse 2:
    try me lord,
    if you think there's a way,
    i can try to repay,
    all i've takin' from you,
    maybe lord,
    i can show someone else,
    what i've been through myself,
    on my way back to you,
    Here is another Kris Kristoffison song that was very popular with people that love songs about what they think they have done to deserve something from God.
     
  14. annsni

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    What's wrong with saying "God, why did you love me? Why did you choose me? What can I do to possibly match that kind of love that you showed me? Help me to show others the love that you've given me."

    That's exactly what I'm reading in that song.
     
  15. annsni

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    As I'm reading Bonhoeffer, I could totally see him asking this or anyone else going through a struggle. I don't see why this would have anything to do with "works" but instead asking God to give us the strength to get through today. Honestly, when my daughter was in the hospital dying, I basically prayed similarly.
     
  16. salzer mtn

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    Both these songs call attention to man and not God. Both songs ask needless questions of why does God do certain things. Are we to openly question God ? Can a man think he can actually do anything that would match the love of God ? Kriss wrote, show me the stairway i have to climb. The song writer knows nothing of grace because in his mind he has to obtain grace by works of climbing a stairway which will lead to pride in himself for doing so. I believe Martin Luther tried to walk up the stair case on his knees to prove his worthiness until God spoke a scripture to his heart, The just shall live by faith. Martin got up off his knees and preached grace from that point on. One day at a time, sweet Jesus, that's all i'm askin of you. In other words, sweet Jesus, i don't believe in your keeping power, i don't believe the victory is yours but if you will help me sweet jesus, i will help you, so i can some how make it, one day at a time.
     
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    Have you read Psalm 13?

    How long, O Lord? Will you forget me forever?
    How long will you hide your face from me?
    2 How long must I take counsel in my soul
    and have sorrow in my heart all the day?
    How long shall my enemy be exalted over me?
    3 Consider and answer me, O Lord my God;
    light up my eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death,
    4 lest my enemy say, “I have prevailed over him,”
    lest my foes rejoice because I am shaken.
    5 But I have trusted in your steadfast love;
    my heart shall rejoice in your salvation.
    6 I will sing to the Lord,
    because he has dealt bountifully with me.

    How about the beginning of Psalm 22?

    My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
    Why are you so far from saving me, from the words of my groaning?
    2 O my God, I cry by day, but you do not answer,
    and by night, but I find no rest.

    Then there is Psalm 74;

    O God, why do you cast us off forever?
    Why does your anger smoke against the sheep of your pasture?
    2 Remember your congregation, which you have purchased of old,
    which you have redeemed to be the tribe of your heritage!
    Remember Mount Zion, where you have dwelt.
    3 Direct your steps to the perpetual ruins;
    the enemy has destroyed everything in the sanctuary!
    4 Your foes have roared in the midst of your meeting place;
    they set up their own signs for signs.
    5 They were like those who swing axes
    in a forest of trees.
    6 And all its carved wood
    they broke down with hatchets and hammers.
    7 They set your sanctuary on fire;
    they profaned the dwelling place of your name,
    bringing it down to the ground.
    8 They said to themselves, “We will utterly subdue them”;
    they burned all the meeting places of God in the land.
    9 We do not see our signs;
    there is no longer any prophet,
    and there is none among us who knows how long.
    10 How long, O God, is the foe to scoff?
    Is the enemy to revile your name forever?
    11 Why do you hold back your hand, your right hand?
    Take it from the fold of your garment[c] and destroy them!


    Exactly. There is NOTHING that would match the love of God. That's just what he's saying. Whatever we can do pales in comparison to what God has done.

    Huh?? He's asking God's guidance - not that he's climbing to gain grace but instead he's asking God to show him where to go - what to do. Don't you ever do that? "God, show me the path to take with this decision."

    Amen!! He saw that it was not up to him but God.

    No - How about maybe it's something like "Oh God, help me through this. Give me the strength to go another day because I can't do it on my own." I guess you've never been in a situation where you were beyond yourself but I have. I was watching my 21 year old daughter die and I couldn't get through that time on my own strength. On my own strength, I wanted to scream and cry and punch something. But in God's strength, I knew He was in control. How do you think martyrs went to their death - on their own strength or God's? It's not about salvation - it's about pressing on towards the goal - the prize in Christ Jesus.
     
  18. salzer mtn

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    I cannot imagine someone saved writing a song and referring to the King of all the earth as sweet jesus. He must have been drunk when he wrote it.
     
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    I guess you've never cried out to God in a moment of dispair.
     
  20. salzer mtn

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    People that don't believe God is sovereign over all thing will question God, question themselves, question circumstances and drive themselves crazy when a great trial comes in their life. I think it is best when a person cannot understand the answers to keep quiet and say in their heart, not my will but thine be done.
     
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