Featured Interview With Billy Graham's Grandson: Why Has America Soured Toward Evangelicals?

http://www.christianpost.com/news/i...as-america-soured-toward-evangelicals-123489/

 

You should know.

Neither do holier than thou, judgmental attitudes.

 

Claiming to be a martyr for the truth is exactly what you do.

One is supposed to be a christian to be on this board. If you need to hear the gospel message, please let us know you are here under false pretenses.

Personally, I have never said one way or the other what party I am in. To my knowledge, neither have you.

This is a board about politics. If you don't want to claim sides, don't. But if you really don't want anyone here to know what your politics are , don't post at all.

It's easy to tell you're a true blue liberal, which closely aligns you with the democrat party. It's easy to tell I'm a conservative, which could align me with any one of three parties that claim to be conservative.

But to you, my political leanings make me something less than a Christian. Your posts also leave a lot to be desired in a Christian. You're judgmental with a holier than thou attitude, More than willing to question and condemn our behavior, but you bristle like a porcupine when yours is questioned or condemned. When it is, you turn nasty in a heartbeat.

You are a poor one to be telling anyone else how to behave. Clean up your own house. Then get back with us on how to act.

 

Dude I could care less about your political affiliation. :laugh: Your nasty attitude towards anyone who doesn't share your political POV is what I've mentioned.

The Board is supposed to be a motley of Christians representing the cause of Christ. It's obvious that some haven't figured that out because they're blinded by their politics.

 

Back atcha.

 

Ditto.

 

Dittoing yourself is redundant, but

Glad you agree.

From what I have observed, you are what you despise the most. Clean up your own house.

 

You may want to borrow these if that's what you've observed.

 

The issue is more complex than speaking on cultural/social issues. The end of the world brings rejection of Jesus and apostasy--we are seeing that now. Also, burning theological issues cannot even be debated with civility so there can be no discarding of false notions. On social issues, there is no compromise among Evangelicals and Fundamentalists about allowing abortion for rape and incest--I think that we can drop the life of the mother because that is almost academic. I mention this as an example of the division within Evangelical circles on social issues.

The most noted case of the inability to intellectually discuss doctrine probably involves Des Ford, who was invited by his denomination to review doctrine and then was expelled for his conclusions.

http://goodnewsunlimited.org/bioford.cfm

I doubt if there can ever be a debate on dispensationalism between Evangelicals and the remnant in the mainline denominations because Evangelicals become angry about dispensationalism if you ask me.

I think that you have to consider also that the American mind is now a closed mind and this has even spilled over into scientific research, which is now politicized. If you think that America can be restored (and I do), you still have to realize that it is an uphill battle and the victory may only be temporary. The old America is still gone forever and the new generation really never knew it.

 

Preach the Gospel. If Christians want to get together and talk politics and not put it out for public consumption, go for it.

But as it stands Tchividjian is correct. The cause of Christ has been usurped by the cause of political parties..

None of that stuff is gonna save anyone. Too many folks in the church care more about winning the argument than they do about winning the soul.

The church needs to remember it's first love and recognize that we weren't commissioned to save a nation, our retirement portfolios or our grandkids inheritance.

We were commissioned to make disciples.

We're entirely too worldly minded and about stuff that has ZERO eternal value.

 

America has "soured" on evangelicals? That would imply they ever had any positive feelings for us in the first place, and I don't think that has ever been the case. Obviously there has always been an general respect for Billy Graham, but even he has had his vocal detractors, from both sides of the fence.

J.C. Ryle, the first Anglican bishop of Liverpool, wrote over 125 years ago that we shouldn't be surprised at the enmity toward God, and His Son Jesus Christ.

Why should we expect peace when the Word divides?

Secondly, our political views are what get emphasized by a biased media. They hear the first part of any given message we may put out there regarding abortion, homosexual behavior, freedom of speech and religion, but do nothing to report how we balance our views on the word of God. We may have a very well reasoned, biblical response to someone. All the media will report is the political side of our presentation.

We have to find a way to better control the message so it is heard in its entirety.

 

I know that you are not serious about what you post because you don't bother to define terms so we don't know exactly what you are talking about, but as everyone knows as the world comes to an end the number of Christians will become smaller and smaller so I really don't know what you are talking about because the world is coming to an end.

 

Another point of view:

http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMN...ue_State_of_American_Evangelicals_in_2011.htm

 

Because I never see t mentioned in these "we gotta be better Christians" thread.

Mr. Graham sure didn't mention it.

Liberals seem to have a problem preaching the resurrection.

 

Excellent, Carpro.

 

Why would I not be serious? What term would you like defined?

And where does Scripture say that the numbers will get smaller and smaller?

 

That's completely different from what he addressed. He hasn't expressed that what the Bible says on those things should not be adhered to.

He said:

and

First and foremost , we've been commissioned to do ONE thing. The evangelical church has CHOSEN to do something else because individuals seem to have adopted the belief that politics is the answer over Jesus. And you may say otherwise and that no one has done that, but the proof is in the pudding.

The church today is known for its political stances and not for loving folks and preaching the Gospel and pointing them to Christ.

Everything we stand for we tie right back into conservative this or liberal that and our politics. Where is the Church that Jesus left hiding?

Where is the church that's more concerned with eternity than it is with the here and now?

 

All you have is an opinion. The data says otherwise. I fully expect you to reject the facts.

The real reason people don't want to hear the gospel has nothing at all to do with politics. It is just as I said. They reject the one WAY, in favor of the easy way. Genuine evangelical preachers preach the one WAY.

So go ahead and restate your opinion. That's all you have. Even your source is all about his opinion...which just happens to match yours.

By rejecting the truth that is based on facts, rather than feelings, you are what you say you hate the most.

 

I could care less about your facts. I deal with people and the TRUTH

I didn't disagree with that. You're talking preachers. I'm talking about the preachers and a lot of the folks in the evangelical church.

Our proliferation of politics in the pulpit and throughout the evangelical church has been and continues to be a major stumbling block for unbelievers.

Sure they reject the way. But who would desire something that so many Christians have made look so distasteful? If the Christian God makes some of you as mean and nasty and unloving as you appear with your politics, it's quite clear why so many unbelievers summarily dismiss us.

The evangelical church, just as Tchividjian said, has aligned itself with a political party and is seen as representing that party and not Jesus Christ.

That's sad.

 

We rarely ever see the resurrection discussed in the Cal/Arm threads either or threads on a dozen other topics. So what?

I still don't understand what that has to do with this thread though. It seemed like you were accusing either Tullian in the OP of being not preaching the resurrection or accusing Zaac of it.