Featured Investigative Judgement

Rev 20 has two judgments. Vs 1-4 judgment happens during the 1000 years and the Great White Throne judgment happens after the 1000 years.

Dan 7 puts the judgment before either of those two events - before the 2nd coming.
As already notice numerous times in the Dan 7 "details".

Rev 14:6-7 places the "judgment has come" message before the Rev 14:14-end second coming description and before the mark of the beast.



As it turns out - "details matter"

 

three judgments.

As you see in my post above -

When Christ comes - at the second coming all the saints both living and dead are taken to heaven - obviously their cases were already decided by that time - so that Rev 14:6-7 judgment had to obviously be before Rev 20.

So then - 2Cor 5:10, Romans 2, Dan 7 etc.

in Christ,

Bob

 

The prophecy of Daniel was to the jewish nation and peoples though, and Daniel prophecies concerning judgement has NOT yet happened, nor have that one in Revelations!

 

Daniel speaks of Babylone, Persia, Greece and the empire that is next... Rome.

And then comes the papacy and 1260 years of dark ages persecution according to Daniel.

None of these are "Jews".

in Christ,

Bob

 

A few obvious connections:

And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; [of] gold, [of] blue, and [of] purple, and [of] scarlet, and [of] fine twined linen, shalt thou make it. - Exodus 28:15

And Aaron shall bear the names of the children of Israel in the breastplate of judgment upon his heart, when he goeth in unto the holy [place], for a memorial before the LORD continually. - Exodus 28:29

And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Thummim; and they shall be upon Aaron's heart, when he goeth in before the LORD: and Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the LORD continually. - Exodus 28:30

And the LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother, that he come not at all times into the holy [place] within the vail before the mercy seat, which [is] upon the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat. - Leviticus 16:2

And he shall put the incense upon the fire before the LORD, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat that [is] upon the testimony, that he die not: - Leviticus 16:13

I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment [was] white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne [was like] the fiery flame, [and] his wheels [as] burning fire. - Daniel 7:9

A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. - Daniel 7:10

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. - Daniel 7:13

Thus shall Aaron come into the holy [place]: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering. - Leviticus 16:3

And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering. - Leviticus 16:5

And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD'S lot fell, and offer him [for] a sin offering. - Leviticus 16:9

Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had [two] horns: and the [two] horns [were] high; but one [was] higher than the other, and the higher came up last. - Daniel 8:3

I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither [was there any] that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great. - Daniel 8:4

And he came to the ram that had [two] horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power. - Daniel 8:6

And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand. - Daniel 8:7

The ram which thou sawest having [two] horns [are] the kings of Media and Persia. - Daniel 8:20

And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat [had] a notable horn between his eyes. - Daniel 8:5

Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. - Daniel 8:8

And the rough goat [is] the king of Grecia: and the great horn that [is] between his eyes [is] the first king. - Daniel 8:21

And he shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation, and for the altar, and he shall make an atonement for the priests, and for all the people of the congregation. - Leviticus 16:33

And he shall make an atonement for the holy [place], because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness. - Leviticus 16:16

And he shall sprinkle of the blood upon it with his finger seven times, and cleanse it, and hallow it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel. - Leviticus 16:19

For on that day shall [the priest] make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, [that] ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD. - Leviticus 16:30

And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. - Daniel 8:14

And he shall go out unto the altar that [is] before the LORD, and make an atonement for it; and shall take of the blood of the bullock, and of the blood of the goat, and put [it] upon the horns of the altar round about. - Leviticus 16:18

And the rough goat [is] the king of Grecia: and the great horn that [is] between his eyes [is] the first king. - Daniel 8:21

Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. - Daniel 8:22

And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, - Revelation 9:13​

 

So then 3 judgments.

The 4 world empires and little horn of Dan 7 are NOT Jewish - obviously.

Two of the judgments - those after the 2nd coming in Rev 20 have not started.

One of the judgements - the one in Dan 7 before the 2nd coming - HAS started!

in Christ,

Bob

 

Originally Posted by BobRyan
Speaking of "reading" -- the Dan 7 case is clear --

[FONT=&quot]The Bible says this about the pre-advent investigative judgment that precedes the 2nd coming[/FONT]

Dan 7
“I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;
10A fiery stream issued
And came forth from before Him.
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was seated,
And the books were opened.


And then when judgment finishes - the 2nd coming.

Dan 7
23 “Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

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Of course every effort to point to "Bible detail" is redirected to "a rant against Ellen White" by those who have long since given up "sola scriptura" and exegesis - and are settling for "Bible-avoidance rant" instead.

Their 'anything but Daniel 7 details' shows up like this.

How sad that the Bible vacuous rant-solution is all that is left if one is determined to ignore the text.

Oh well -- you can lead a horse to water...

in Christ,

Bob

 

Originally Posted by BobRyan
Originally Posted by BobRyan
Speaking of "reading" -- the Dan 7 case is clear --

[FONT=&quot]The Bible says this about the pre-advent investigative judgment that precedes the 2nd coming[/FONT]

Dan 7
“I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;
10A fiery stream issued
And came forth from before Him.
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was seated,
And the books were opened.


And then when judgment finishes - the 2nd coming.

Dan 7
23 “Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

===============================

Of course every effort to point to "Bible detail" is redirected to "a rant against Ellen White" by those who have long since given up "sola scriptura" and exegesis - and are settling for "Bible-avoidance rant" instead.

Their 'anything but Daniel 7 details' shows up like this.



How sad that the Bible vacuous rant-solution is all that is left if one is determined to ignore the text.

Oh well -- you can lead a horse to water...

No amount of sola-scriptura-adverse ranting against Ellen White -- or misdirection to the "daily" discussion of Dan 8:12 is a good "substitute" for "paying attention" to the Bible details in Daniel 7 as listed abovel

The point remains.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Vooks - when did the Judgment language in Dan 7 become so difficult to read that you adopt Bible-avoidance every time it is brought up???

You are squirming sidewise every time Dan 7 and the Investigative Judgment comes up.

Where we simply "not supposed to notice"???