Featured Irresistible Grace, John 6:37

you have yet to prove that there was this "judicial hardening' process going on in isreal, as the jews who refused yeshua were doing what sinners naturalely do, and the Lord continued to harden what they were already doing, like the Pharoah!

the Lord predetermining to use their own natural responses to reject yeshua as messaih, preserved out a chosen remnant, and brought in we gentiles to salvation fold!

Do you hold that ALl the scriptures are equally inspired as the revelation from god, or just parts of them are? or that it becomes the word to us when we have it make sense to us by the Holy sprit, or?

 

To the contrary. Eve brought out Adam's free will.

 

Why do I need to prove what you yourself just now affirmed in the exact same sentence?

 

I affirm that they were uanble to come to yeshua, due to them being sinners, NOT because God 'forced' them to reject the messiah!

he took what they were naturaly going to do, and hardened them off further!

they started it, God finished it!

 

Unable UNLESS assisted by a gracious work of the Holy Spirit, right?

Isn't the Gospel a gracious work of the Holy Spirit?

Clearly God prevented some from repenting and being forgiven by hiding the truth from them in parables and sending them a spirit of stupor. There are many passages which clearly lay this truth out. Now, if you'd like to offer an alternate explanation or interpretation for these verses I'd be glad to respond, but to just deny they exist doesn't help our discussion.

Right. I agree. But why?

To condemn them to a certain death in hell? ORRRR to make room for the Gentiles, provoke them to envy and possibly bring them to salvation as well? (Romans 11:14)

 

just think that we have to understand that the Lord did NOT force the jews to reject Yeshua, but he did ordain that their rejection would be able to have gentiles offerred salvation thru yeshua now also!