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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Jun 19, 2024.

  1. SavedByGrace

    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    Al Mohler is a well know solid Evangelical leader, whose teachings I have been listening to for many years. He is a very gifted man, and greatly used by the Lord for His Kingdom.

    I have seen online today, that Mohler, who has spoken out against women as becoming "pastors", actually endorses a woman as becoming president of the Conservative Southern Baptist Convention. This seems to me to be double-standards, as it puts a woman in the position of leadership and authority, over many men.

    I am interested to see what others have to say on this

    https://eu.tennessean.com/story/new...try-pastors-meeting-indianapolis/73717451007/
     
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    First off, I’m not Southern Baptist.

    Is the Convention considered to be a church?
    Is its leader considered to be a pastor?
    Is Eldership required as a leader of this ecclesiastical organization?

    Rob
     
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    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    You can argue with the Lord

    1 Timothy 2:12

    And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence .

    Not only church
     
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    I am.

    No, the convention is not a church

    No, the leader is not considered to be a pastor/elder in the convention.

    No, eldership is not required.

    Historically, all have been men and all (perhaps) have been former pastors.

    Paul’s instructions in 1 Timothy are to the local church and nothing else.

    So, to answer the OP, yes, Mohler is correct, though I don’t expect it to happen anytime soon.

    peace to you
     
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    Are you married?
     
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    Due to the ambiguity of scripture, or perhaps the ambiguity of our understanding of scripture, the role of women in the ministry of Christ is hotly debated. One side frequently takes their view as a given, i.e. there is no chance their side could be mistaken. The other side, women could play a larger role in ministry than dutiful wife, knows that the more restricted view has apparent support in scripture.

    Is the admonition against women in authority just a cultural construct, given the paternalistic culture of biblical times, or is the restriction a timeless principle?

    Usually, the conversation devolves into talking past each other, complete is disparagement of those holding opposing views.
     
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    It is not a cultural construct since Paul lays a biblical foundation for this teaching.. in the creation of Adam and Eve. It only applies to leadership in the church.

    It goes beyond the biblical record to claim the admonition applies outside of the church

    Women owned their own businesses, bought and sold property etc..

    Christianity has done more to reveal the equality of men and women before God and in the secular world than any other movement in human history.

    peace to you
     
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    Folks, just as I said, here is a claim the admonition is not a cultural construct, but if there is no difference between men and women once they are born anew siblings of Christ, then the restriction seems a cultural construct.
     
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    Over the years I have been collecting what I call preacherisms these are remarks I have heard in stories or witnessed in person and event that had an impact within the church and me... This is one of them on Woman preachers... After hearing a sermon a Woman walked up to the preacher and said... I believe that the Lord has called me to preach!.. In his calm demeanor, he said it that so?... At the same time he was talking to her, young children were running around the church screaming and chasing each other... So the Woman was getting impatient waiting for an answer... The preacher looked toward the children and then at the Woman and said with authority, pointing at the unruly children... Well Woman there's your congregation!!!... The Woman in an exasperated huff, walked away... Brother Glen:)
     
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    The Bible is very clear on this, and not at all "ambiguous"

    1Co 14:34 The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says. [Gen. 3:16.] - Amp Bible

    1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.
    1Co 11:8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man.
    1Co 11:9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man

    1Ti 2:8 I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting;
    1Ti 2:9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing,
    1Ti 2:10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.
    1Ti 2:11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
    1Ti 2:12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
    1Ti 2:13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
    1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
     
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    Sigh. Please reread the article. It was not Mohler, but a pastor who was a SBC President decades ago in the Conservative Resurgence who's said that "a woman can be the President of the the Southern Baptist Convention".

    What the article reports about Mohler "supporting women" was only that he wrote an article lamenting that the SBC "has been revealed to be morally compromised" covering up so many sexual misconduct crimes against them, "in churches, in denominational ministries, and even in our seminaries".
     
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    Can't open link. Not subscribing to paper to read one article.
     
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    from the article:

    Former SBC President James Merritt also showed support for a woman becoming SBC president, an idea that Texas pastor Dwight McKissic helped popularize in a column titled, “The case for electing Beth Moore as president of the Southern Baptist Convention.”

    But talk of a woman president also stirred a resistance. Al Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, expressed support for women but also pushed for traditional gender norms in a column. A leader of the opposition conservative faction in the SBC, which has sought to pull the convention further to the right, cited Mohler’s reflections in a more direct rebuke against a woman SBC president.

    “The move toward empowering women to fulfill their calling is a worthy movement for the churches of the SBC to support — so long as it’s helping women fulfill God’s original design for them,” Josh Buice, president of the Reformed Baptist nonprofit G3 Ministries, wrote in a column on the G3 website. That protest escalated in early 2019 when Moore spoke at a church on Mother’s Day, sparking outrage among opposition conservatives who claimed Moore was preaching.
     
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    see #15, "Al Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, expressed support for women but also pushed for traditional gender norms in a column"
     
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    James Merritt became pretty liberal when his son Jonathan got exposed as being homosexual.
     
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    The piece by Mohler your article links to is him expressing support for the many women who have been abused in Southern Baptist circles. But he makes clear his continued devotion to male leadership:

    Mohler: "the same Bible that reveals the complementarian pattern of male leadership in the home and the church also reveals God’s steadfast and unyielding concern for the abused...The church and any institution or ministry serving the church must be ready to assure safety and support to any woman or child or vulnerable one threatened by abuse."

    There is nothing about him advocating for women being SBC officers.
     
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