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Is being “Reformed” synonymous with being “Calvinistic?”

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Revmitchell, Dec 3, 2017.

  1. Revmitchell

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    No. The fact of the matter is that not all Reformers were five-point Calvinists. Many in Western Christianity have come to think of “Reformed Theology” as being synonymous with “Calvinistic Soteriology,” but that is historically inaccurate. Dr. Roger Olson explains:

    “One of the major irritants (for me and many others) about the ‘Young, Restless, Reformed’ movement is its leaders’ and followers’ tendency to identify ‘Reformed’ extremely narrowly—as focused on ‘the doctrines of grace’ (as they call them) meaning T.U.L.I.P. The movement ought to be called ‘Young, Restless, Calvinist.’ Somehow that just doesn’t have the same ‘ring’ as ‘Young, Restless, Reformed,’ though. The problem is that the leading spokesmen for the movement would exclude many more classically Reformed people as not truly Reformed. And yet most of them are not ‘truly Reformed’ by the standards recognized by the World Communion of Reformed Churches! (All of those denominations practice infant baptism.)… Arminius and the early Remonstrants were historically-theologically Reformed. They just disagreed with the narrow definition of ‘Reformed’ being touted by the likes of Franciscus Gomarus and Prince Maurice (the power behind the Synod of Dort). The Reformed Churches of the United Provinces (Netherlands) by all accounts did not then (before Dort) have any authoritative doctrinal standards that excluded the Remonstrants who could gladly affirm the Heidelberg Catechism even though they wanted it revised. It was Dort that made Arminianism ‘heretical’ within the Reformed Churches of the United Provinces. And many Reformed theologians around Europe did not agree with Dort; some from England walked out of the Synod when they saw what a kangaroo court it was and how narrowly ‘Reformed’ was being defined there.”[1]

    It is easy to minimalize the grand historical narrative by focusing attention on those scholars who best represent our given theological perspective. Human nature drives us all to paint the former advocates of our perspective in the best possible light while potentially neglecting to reflect upon the views of other lesser known Christian leaders. If experience tells us anything, however, the popularity and influence of any particular leader does not validate his or her beliefs.

    Granted, Martin Luther, Huldrych Zwingli, and John Calvin were highly influential leaders of the Reformation. However, their views—though more closely aligned with TULIP soteriology—are a far cry from the five-point Calvinistic views resurging today. For instance, many scholars, including those sympathetic to Calvinistic soteriology, acknowledge that Calvin tended toward “unlimited atonement” in contrast to the more rigid limitations that became popularized in the later development of Calvinistic predestinarianism.[2]

    In fact, if Luther, Zwingli, and Calvin lived today while maintaining their 16th century theological convictions, very few modern day Calvinists would even dare to be associated with them. These three well-known reformers held to some very questionable beliefs and practices. For instance, Calvin believed the sacrament of the Eucharist provided the “undoubted assurance of eternal life to our minds, but also secures the immortality of our flesh,”[3] while Luther condoned bigamy[4] and was known for his foul language. Philipp Melanchthon, Luther’s co-worker and friend, admitted that he could “neither deny, nor excuse, or praise” Luther’s vulgarity.[5] More shockingly, these two Reformers were known to have condoned the use of torture and even burning to death those who disagreed with them theologically. (Note: Please read this article in its entirety before critiquing it as being unfairly biased against Calvinistic believers.)

    Luther believed the Anabaptist practice of “every member functioning in the church” was from “the pit of hell.” Within two decades, hundreds of laws were passed making this “Anabaptist heresy” a capital offense. As a result, many Bible-believing Christians were burned to death for their convictions with Luther’s encouragement and blessing.[6]

    In Geneva, where Calvin ruled, a child was beheaded for striking his parents, and his own step-daughter and son-in-law were executed for adultery. Jacques Gruet dared to disagree with Calvin, calling him “ambitious” and a “haughty hypocrite.” Calvin ordered Gruet to be nailed to a stake by his feet where he was tortured until eventually beheaded for “blasphemy and rebellion.”[7] A friend of Calvin, Sabastian Castellio, rebuked his intolerance and cruelty by saying in part, “If Christ himself came to Geneva, he would be crucified. For Geneva is not a place of Christian liberty. It is ruled by a new pope [John Calvin], but one who burns men alive while the pope at Rome strangles them first.”[8]

    In contrast, lesser-known leaders, like Balthasar Hubmaier, laid the foundation for the Reformation while standing for Christian liberty, believer’s baptism, and many of the same Christ-like values we hold to today. Before the rise of Luther or Calvin, Hubmaier—and others like him—took on the abuses of the Catholic church while defending even the atheist’s right to live in peace. While Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, and many other reformers who left Catholicism continued to rely on state powers for the execution of “heretics,” great men like Hubmaier stood for Christian love and respect, even for his enemies, which sounds a lot like Jesus.[9]

    Hubmaier was a popular preacher in his day and is said to have baptized around six thousand persons in Nikolsburg alone. Not long after enduring months of torture for teaching believer’s baptism, under the rule of Ulrich Zwingli, Hubmaier and his wife were arrested by authorities and tried for heresy. On March 10, 1528, he was burned alive. Three days later, his wife was tossed into a river with a large stone tied around her neck.[10]

    Hubmaier taught a non-Calvinistic soteriology. He believed that it was by the means of the gospel that God takes the initiative in drawing all people to himself. As the gospel is proclaimed, God’s Spirit convicts human hearts and leads them to confess Christ. While God takes the initiative, he does not make the decision for man. By His “attracting, drawing will . . . God wills and draws all men unto salvation. Yet the choice is still left to man, since God wants him without pressure, unconstrained, under no compulsion.” [11] According to Hubmaier’s own testimony, his belief that God genuinely loved and desired the salvation of all His enemies influenced his views on religious liberty. He argued, “a heretic is not convinced by our act, either with the sword or with fire, but only with patience and prayer.”[12]

    The simple fact is that not all Reformers held to the five-point Calvinistic soteriology being popularized today. Little attention, for instance, is given to the influence of the Protestant Anabaptists or Christian Brethren movement which flourished in Germany, Austria, the Netherlands, and other countries during the 16th century. Anabaptists were most notably associated with the doctrine of adult believer’s baptism, the separation of church and state, and voluntary church membership. But history reveals that their soteriology, as it developed, was anything but Calvinistic. While there was no direct link from the Anabaptists to the growth of the Baptist churches in England, it is very likely that the latter were influenced in their beliefs and attitudes by the former.

    The Reformation and SBC Calvinism
     
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    Baptists today tend to be a blend of Anabaptist (their doctrine on baptism, on the relationship of the Church and State, etc.) and Reformed theology (Luther's view of Justification, Calvin's view of Substitution, etc), which means that Baptists also reject both to an extent (Anabaptist theory of Atonement, the necessity and degree of separation, their view on oaths; Reformed view on baptism, on church government, the nature of Church and State, etc.).

    I would say that Baptists are neither Reformed or Anabaptist.
     
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    Baptists are such a mixed bag --with many holding beliefs completely contrary to many other Baptists it would not be wise to even try to put them all in the same category.
     
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    Mr. Olson's views are quite a departure from reality.

    His article was full of outlandish fabrications.

    I don't have the time at this late hour here to items his lies one by one.

    Perhaps others will chime to correct his views (and apparently RM's as well).
     
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    Quote snipped for brevity.

    From James R. White: "Doctrine develops".
     
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    Is being “Reformed” synonymous with being “Calvinistic?”

    Of course not. I am not even sure why anyone would have to ask that question.

    Jacobus Arminius was a minister and theologian of the Dutch REFORMED Church.
     
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    Amen and amen.
     
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    Both refer to the very same thing.
    I don't know why the question needs to be asked either. It's so obvious.
    He was a deceitful man. He flew under false colors.
     
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    "...we feel quite justified in the sentiment that Arminianism is excluded not only by the Canons of Dort, but also by a correct understanding of any and all of the confessions in the Reformed family."

    Confessing the Reformed Faith: Our Identity In Unity And Diversity by Richard A. Muller.
     
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    Or maybe he wanted to reform the reformed (which always leads to more quibbling) as to who is right and who is wrong... you could have just stayed as Catholics, beat your breasts and prayed to Mary.
     
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    Some of them did stay Catholic.
    From another thread:
     
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    This is not true. While I believe Arminius incorrect, he did not hide his understanding but rather was very vocal in arguing his claims. In fact, the courts had determined that his view was within orthodox Calvinism. It was only after his death that the view of the Remonstrants was rejected as unorthodox.
     
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    That doesn’t surprise me. Francis also kept it in the family...saved himself a bunch of lives in the process and funny, he did it with poverty so the powers that be never considered him or his movement to be a threat.
     
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    Being Dutch explains a lot. We still got them in the hills of Northern NJ..enclaves of white farmers and landowners who are solid calvinists. My own lovely wife was raised by them and she still thinks like them, thank God.
     
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    Reformed Baptists, such as I, are not big "R" Reformed like our Presbyterian brethren. However, we have more in common with the big "R" Reformed than mainline Baptists. We are Monergists, covenantal, and confessional (just to name the top three). This is different than Calvinistic Baptists who, by all outside indicators, are simply mainline Baptists who believe in a Monergistic view of salvation.

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    Actually, you may have the wording backwards. Being Reformed IS synonymous with being Calvinistic. The question should be reworded. Is being a Calvinist synonymous with being Reformed? Anyone who claims to be Reformed is already a Calvinist, but not every Calvinist is Reformed.

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    Thank you. I take it this is the difference between Calvinism and Calvinistic.
     
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    Not really. A Calvinist in modern parlance is simply someone who holds to a Monergistic view of salvation. The word Calvinistic helps when discussing a person, or a church, that has an affinity towards Monergism but not Reformed theology or practice.

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    In other words, you can be a Baptist, a Calvinist (i.e. Monergist), and a Dispensationalist and not be Reformed. Happens all the time. But to be Reformed is to embrace covenant theology (the Baptist version), covenantal, and confessional. There are other distinctives but these are the main ones.

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    In the current way of viewing this, Calvinists and reformed would both agree on the doctrines of Grace, but the reformed would add in also some kind of Confession of faith, and would hold to entire Covenant theology proper.
    Many Baptists are Calvinists, but would hold to believers baptism and israel and Church being still separate for example.
     
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