Featured is calvinism based upon John Calvin, Or Upon Jesus And the Gospel?

You are a Calvinist.........and therefore you are a "heretic" Yeshua.

 

Is that the "Spurgeon" that H.W. prays to for forgiveness? Or have you Calvinists not called upon him to repent yet?

 

Note the generalization, your verses are out of context. He just makes up false charges folks, and posts them.

Then, as a direct and calculated insult, after I say God's sovereignty is something to worship, he again says it "bugs" me.

Calvinism is not based on scripture, it claims as its doctrine the opposite of scripture. Many are called but few are chosen, becomes few are chosen but many are called anyway.

God choosing people for salvation through faith in the truth, becomes God choosing foreseen people unconditionally.

Christ laying down His life as a ransom for all becomes Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all the elect only.

Calvinism is mistaken and irrational. It puts the cart before the horse. It redefines the meanings of words to pour its man-made doctrine into the text.

 

You falsified a quote in your argument Rippon..........I am not in the LEAST bit surprised.

 

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You utter these contempible lies so often when gets almost used to it. But then,I say,"Never feel you have been personally slighted on this board." You have no right to say that in the least when you take the time to type your junk. Not when you continually drone on with your slanderous and shameful ways.

 

According to Roman Catholics, who are like many Fundamental Baptist ---Arminian to the core.

 

That statement doesn't make sense Rippon.

 

As I have said by the authority of the word of God over and over again:Christ laid down His life for the sake of,in the stead of,in the place,substitutionally for the sheep;not the goats,wolves etc. Christ laid down his life for His Church --His Bride. He did not die for the Church and everybody else too.

There are those He knows,and those that He has never known.

 

But yet it is the truth. As a matter of fact many Fundamental Baptists are closer to that of the semi-Pelagian kind of soteriology --just like most Roman Catholics. (There have been exceptions in the R.C.fold over the centuries like the Jansenists.)

 

O.K. Man. Go you

 

Also remember SN (I know that you do) that one who does not hold the position of DoG fervently believes as much in God's Infinite Sovereignty as well. Blessings

 

Yesua1 posted...

No worries.

I CERTAINLY do not consider all calvinists lost.

 

I agree, which is why I will not be found participating in this thread, beyond this post.

 

Logical Fallacy

Here we get a typical Calvinist defense of the mistaken doctrine of Calvinism. A straight up personal attack, attempting to undercut an opponent's view, by attacking him or her personally. This is all they have, folks. Count the charges, then count the evidence. LOL

1) Christ died for all mankind, 1 John 2:2, 1 Timothy 2:4-6, which of course includes all those actually saved. This view is not slanderous or shameful.

2) The Calvinist doctrine of penal substitution is simply a Trojan horse for Limited Atonement, it is mistaken and unsupportable in scripture. Christ's death was substitutional, He died for us. Anyone spiritually placed in Christ and washed with His precious blood has their sins taken away. The sins were not taken away when He died, the Calvinist fiction, but when we are spiritually place in Him. This view is not slanderous or shameful.

3) Calvinism is mistaken doctrine, as shown by verse after verse, such as:

(1) Total Spiritual Inability is shown false because everyone would be as the first soil of Matthew 13:1-23, but scripture teaches some men have lost all their natural ability to understand some spiritual things, the milk of the gospel, i.e. the first soil, but other men, i.e. soils 2, 3 and 4 still have limited spiritual ability and therefore can seek God and understand the gospel.

(2) Unconditional Election is shown false by 2 Thessalonians 2:13 which teaches we are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth. This view is not shameful or slanderous.

(3) Limited Atonement (and Penal Substitution) are shown to be false doctrine by 1 John 2:2, 1 Timothy 2:4-6, and John 3:16 (whoever believes teaches the reconciliation is available to all.)

(4) Irresistible Grace is shown to be false doctrine by Matthew 23:13 where men are entering heaven (and therefore according to Calvinism under the influence of Irresistible Grace) who are blocked by false teachers teaching false doctrine.

There is no need to personally attack individuals when truth is on your side. ​

 

Christ died for those He actually died for. That does not include those in eternal torment and those who will be in eternal torment. He did not die for Esau, Pilate, Cain, Judas, those who perished in the Great Flood, etc.

Christ died for all types of people from around the globe. He did not die for everyone without exception, but everyone without distinction. He bought many from among all tribes, languages and nations.

Rmitchell just posted a statement from the SBC. In it was a statement that they believe in the penal view of the atonement. Do you hold to the moral influence theory or what?

I think you are coming up with the fiction. What Calvinist hold to that view?

 

I like the following quote by R.C. Reed (1951-1925)in his book The Gospel As Taught By Calvin.

"We believe that the apostles and their immediate successors were Calvinists of the deepest dye. How could John have escaped Calvinism after listening to the discourses of Christ which he records in the sixth and tenth chapters of his Gospel? How could Paul have written the eighth and ninth of Romans, the first of Ephesians, and, in fact all his other epistles, unless he had been a Calvinist? How could anyone but a rank Calvinist ever have preached such a sermon as Peter preached on the day of Pentecost? (See especially Acts 2:23)" (p.124)

 

1) Limited Atonement has no support in scripture, but Christ dying for all mankind, laying down His life as a ransom for all, is supported in verse after verse.

2) What part of Penal Substitution is a Trojan Horse for Limited Atonement does Yeshua1 not understand.

3) Next we get the chestnut off the Calvinist pile of falsehoods, that Christ did not die for all men because those who had died and in Hades were excluded. Twaddle. God accepted Christ's sacrifice for all men, thus anyone placed in Christ will have their body of sin removed. Christ is like an eternal fount, anyone placed in the living water gets reconciled, whether one or one million, or everyone. The reconciliation is limited by who God places in Christ, not the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice. Again the Calvinist argument is a cart before the horse argument.

4) I believe in the Biblical Theory of Reconciliation, everyone spiritually placed in Christ is reconciled to God. They are baptized spiritually into His death, undergo the circumcision of Christ, and arise in Christ a new creation, born anew from above. This makes them perfect, holy and blameless, and then they are sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit forever. Christ's death resulted in Him becoming the propitiation for the whole world, and thus everyone and anyone sprinkled with His blood has the penalty for their sins, past, present and future, forgiven and remembered no more forever.