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  1. TCassidy

    TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
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    Only a tiny minority. The minority does not dictate doctrine to the majority.

    Same answer.

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    What? You don't believe in rhinoceroses? (Rhinoceri?)

    Same answer.

    Same answer.

    Nope. Never approves of it, it recognizes that it exists.

    Same answer.

    Same answer. The bible tells us we are all of the race of Adam.
     
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    I do when the plain intended meaniung of it is best seen by being literal!
     
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    The big difference would be that Jesus and paul did not agree with those holding to the wrong view on those topics, but they both saw genesis as being literal/historical factual account of origins !
     
  4. Calminian

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    So, it was only until you came across a view that denied Genesis as history, you were satisfied? Why? What critical thinking lead to that? Seems you just found a theory that allowed you to embrace man's view of origins.

    Also, what do you say to those like John Shelby Spong who believe the entire bible figurative? Resurrection, you name it. All figurative. What would you offer him?
     
  5. Calminian

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    Geocentrism was mainstream science during Galileo's time. And it was the mainstream that when after him and drove him underground, not a bunch of Christians.

    So it appears you're saying you would have embraced geocentrism also, being that it was mainstream.
     
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    And to the point that any of these were mainstream (debatable), your "critical thinking" would have lead you to embrace them. For you said yourself you were looking for a theory that allowed you to embrace mainstream science.
     
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    Oh Paul was big on slavery...
    Colossians 3:22 … Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything....
    1 Peter 2:18 … Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.​

    He was big on the subjugation of women,
    Colossians 3:18–19 Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
    "Dr. John Lightfoot, Vice-Chancellor of the University of Cambridge, and one of the most eminent Hebrew scholars of his time, declared, as the result of his most profound and exhaustive study of the Scriptures, that "heaven and earth, centre and circumference, were created all together, in the same instant, and clouds full of water," and that "this work took place and man was created by the Trinity on October 23, 4004 B. C., at nine o'clock in the morning."" A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom. Andrew Dickson White, 1874.
     
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    Now doc, ….how's Yesh1 ever going to learn to think.

    These were all majority views somewhere... and sometime....

    And these views were changed by those who were able to think critically.

    Rob
     
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    After a careful, critical, and exhaustive study of the issue I have concluded those views were never in the majority. :D :D
     
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    Acknowledging the existence of slavery is not condoning slavery. And teaching slaves to live as Christians is not condoning slavery.

    A wife voluntarily submitting to her husband's spiritual leadership is not subjugation or subjection. It is voluntary submission.
     
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    Even dragons? What about the patron saint of England?
    :Laugh
     
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    I see. You not only reject Genesis, but Paul's writings as well. Of course Paul never endorsed American race-based kidnap slavery, but that's beside the point. I think you've illustrated the real point.
     
  13. Calminian

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    Probably a dinosaur. The word wasn't invented until the 1800s. Thus, the ancients used the term dragon to describe large reptilian beasts.
     
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    Dragon is an old word for dinosaur, a word coined in 1841, if that helps.

    Evolution has many problems and so does millions and millions of years, although both doctrines are in the majority. Norman Geisler also believes in an old earth--smart as he is, he is not the leading intellect of his generation.
     
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    Only trying to get you guys to think...
    I see that I failed. :Frown
    Rob
     
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    I think you guys missed my point. I was responding to @TCassidy 's post that belief in dragons (the fire breathing variety) was the majority view.

    But on further review, it looks like the dragon fight was a later, 11th century addition, well after his canonization in 494 AD. So I withdraw my example.
    :)
     
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    Perhaps I missed some earlier context. Please explain. Sounded like you are scolding Paul.
     
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    Sending kids to study the humanities in college is always a stupid idea unless you're a rich connected liberal.

    You should always look at the applicable programs they are studying - the sciences, engineering, business, art, architecture, etc.
     
  19. Rob_BW

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    Lol, I can't complain about my paycheck, and I left home with not much more than the clothes on my back and conservative values 21 years ago. Ended up studying English but switching to history for my undergrad. Theological Studies for my masters.

    I find it funny how American conservatives regularly condemn the humanities. Reminds me, ironically, of the Soviet Union, who pushed STEM as a means to improve economic output. Access to majors like history or philosophy was tightly controlled, as it could lead to aberrant, anti-party thought.
     
  20. Calminian

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    Lot of generalizations and platitudes in this statement. But really, you haven't said anything.
     
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