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Is it a sin to clone?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Thinkingstuff, Apr 29, 2009.

  1. canadyjd

    canadyjd Well-Known Member

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    I fail to see how killing babies to harvest replacement organs can be seen as sharing in the sufferings of Christ.

    And no, it's never OK to play God.

    peace to you:praying:
     
  2. canadyjd

    canadyjd Well-Known Member

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    I seem to remember dolly's owners saying she aged quite rapidly, much more rapidly than a normally birthed sheep.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    Say you needed a new liver. That liver can not be cloned outside a body. You have to have the whole human to harvest the one organ. Right now the technology exists to clone a complete animal or human. There is no way to clone a specific organ in a test tube.
     
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    Exactly. A whole person must be cloned into another person and then the organ taken from them. This cannot be ethical by anyone's standard, imo.
     
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    Unless, of course, you need an organ for your own survival!

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  6. Thinkingstuff

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    That came out of nowhere! I never said anything about killing babies or harvesting organs. You took a leap into outer space! I was just commenting on cloning. And that we are commanded to be like Christ (playing off these consepts) we can play God like children immitate those they admire.
     
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    This is not true.
     
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    Do you even know what cloning is?

    To clone someone, you must fertilize an egg. When that egg is fertilized, you have a living, growing, human being....a baby. If you kill that baby to harvest the organs, stem cells..... you have performed an abortion.
    We are commanded to be like Christ in His humility, in His compassion, in His love.

    We are never commanded to be like Christ and "play God", to artificially create life and then destroy it. That is exhalting yourself, just as Satan has attempted to exhalt himself.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    Who said anything about killing? You're still making leaps. If you clone a human being then you have a human being. I'm not advocating then killing the person to harvest their organs. That was someone else. Though they are able to grow certain organs without it being a complete human being. They've done this with stemcells. Remember there are two types. Those types that are a bi product of conseption and are in the placenta and those that are harvested from destoyed embyros. I'm not speaking of the latter. And Yes I know exactly what cloning is. Do you? I take my DNA and insert it into a female egg that has been modified. That fertalizes the egg which then grows into an exact genetic duplicate of myself.
     
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    You are misinformed about cloning. There is no technology to clone even a human. I basically was saying I have no problem cloning organs to use for replacements (which can be done outside the human body using stem cells), which who knows how far off that is, but I am against cloning entire people. On organ doesn't have a soul...a human does.
     
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    Not true...an organ can be cloned outside the body using stem cells.
     
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    Not all stem cells come from aborted babies. I have millions stored from cord blood for each of my kids.
     
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    I'm sure you know this but this statement sounds misleading, so I've got to say that's what they're working towards, but we can't do this right now. If we could, everybody would be doing it and donor lists would be a thing of the past.
     
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    Thanks for clarifying...that is what I meant.
     
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    And it's worth nothing that the method by which they think they can clone an organ still requires them to create an embryo. So, IMO, organ cloning would still be a problem.
     
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    Stem cells can be harvested from things other than embryo's.
     
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    Understood. But for the purpose of cloning organs they are saying that they will first have to clone a human embryo. That embryo (the cloned one) would then have to be destroyed.
     
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    Then how can you not understand. That fertilized egg is a baby. Which was my point. If you kill the baby to harvest stem cells, you have performed an abortion.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    There is talk of culturing stem cells to grow organs. To use those stem cells would be stem cell therapy, IMHO.

    My understanding is...that is not cloning. Cloning involves the production of a fertilized egg.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    Stem cell therapy is a separate issue. Cloning involves the production of another person, animal or organ in the exact mold as the original. Stem cells are needed, and while many scientists (the pro-choice variety) maintain only embryonic stem cells work, new research is showing all stem cells can be used, some can be harvested from our own skin!
     
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