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Is it a sin to critique a preacher?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Dale-c, Mar 3, 2008.

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  1. rbell

    rbell Active Member

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    I knew a week ago you were going to say that.



















    :D
     
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  2. John of Japan

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    Oh, yeah? Well, I knew you thought you knew that, but really I don't know if you really knew how much you knew! I think. :confused:
     
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  3. rbell

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    I would respond, but according to Scripture, I need an interpreter.





    :laugh:
     
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  4. Dale-c

    Dale-c Active Member

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    With this type of reasoning the end justifies the means.
    What problem would you have with Joel Osteen? How about Benny Hinn?

    No, I think it was often used mightily for Billy's glory.
    Does that mean that God never worked inspite of him? Of course I am sure that some were legitimately saved but I doubt there were anywhere near the reported numbers of true conversions.
     
    #24 Dale-c, Mar 5, 2008
  5. Magnetic Poles

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    So a preacher cannot be speaking outside of God's will? What about preachers delivering contradictory and mutually exclusive messages?
     
    #25 Magnetic Poles, Mar 5, 2008
  6. Crabtownboy

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    Must be ok to criticize a preacher. :laugh:
     
    #26 Crabtownboy, Mar 5, 2008
  7. Allan

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    Really, I don't remember saying that. Oh, wait.. I didn't. I didn't even insinuate it. I stated a fact that God used him and his preaching style. Your 'ONE' sermon is not indicitive of what he typically preached, but of course you would know that if you actaully read any of his sermons. Back on your other thread it was shown that he did in fact preach the gospel message, which you would know if you took the time read up instead of bash.

    I'm not against critique, but I wont stand by (and allow without dissent) bashing mascarading as critique.

    As I said before, do a little more homework on him. No he wasn't the greatest preacher but he was a man used mightly of God.
    IOW - you have no idea how many were truly converted but in your personal opinion it is your assumption that it must have been just a few because.. well you have no reason.

    The real stats are not in the numbers but in the lives changed, and thousands were. Sure there will always be those who were looking for the 'get out of hell free card' but scripture states they will always be there (wheat and tares).
    But what you can't prove in any form is that 'it was used for Billy's glory' Such a statement is childish. You give nothing but assumptions, presumptions, and feelings about him and his ministry, while giving at best minimal if any real facts.

    So far the only fact you have given is that he wasn't a great sermon writter, and that he didn't use a multitude of verses. I would even give you that he (IMO)harped on one thing over-much (hobby-horsed) but I don't know if that is what God desired of him. I just know that I doubt I would. Beyond that you haven't given anything factual outside your opinion and suspisions.
     
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  8. Dale-c

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    unless the one doing to criticizing happens to disagree with the preacher on a point I agree with him on :)
     
    #28 Dale-c, Mar 5, 2008
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    Somebody encouraged scruntiny.

    Acts 17:11, "Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily [to see] whether these things were so. "
     
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  10. Revmitchell

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    When sin is preached against on a regular basis criticism is sure to follow. Your conscience must really be bothering you about this alcohol thing. You seem rather obsessed with anyone who opposes it.
     
    #30 Revmitchell, Mar 5, 2008
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    Would you ladies like some cream or sugar for your tea?:rolleyes:
     
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  12. MB

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    That get's a big Amen
    MB
     
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  13. Palatka51

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    Very good post Tim. However does criticizing ones spelling fall under the critiquing of a Pastor?
    I'm sorry I shouldn't be the one to critique ones spelling.
     
    #33 Palatka51, Mar 5, 2008
  14. gb93433

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    More preachers are fired after preaching through the book of James.
     
    #34 gb93433, Mar 5, 2008
  15. Dale-c

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    Umm, how about saying that voting "for the saloon" which was presumably against the 18th ammendment wouldsend a man to hell?
    htat is adding to the Bible and adding works to the Gospel.

    Now you may find other places where he preached orthodox sermons. But do we exuse error because there person isn't always erroneous?

    Do you not discipline your kids because they don't ALWAYS misbehave?

    What about a shoplifter?
    He may only steal 1 out of ten times he goes into a store.
    So what right do we have to say that he is wrong on the one time he does?

    Let's just say Sunday only added works to the gospel in one out of ten sermons.
    Do we let him go?

    This isn't a petty issue.
    The guy added to the scripture. He ignored Scripture.
    He added to the Gospel right here:

    That is no small offense.
    That is heresy and should be refuted.
    Who cares who the man was. This is a heretical doctrine we are dealign with.
    DO you agree or not?

    Please stop with the ad hominem and deal with the actual subject matter.

    Do you believe the quoted doctrine above is Biblical?
    Do you believe it adds to the Bible?.

    If not then please show me from the scripture where he is right.
     
    #35 Dale-c, Mar 6, 2008
  16. J.D.

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    It is a sin to critique ME or ANYTHING I SAY!



    (now let's see how many think I really mean that) :)
     
    #36 J.D., Mar 6, 2008
  17. Revmitchell

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    I have never heard of even one.
     
    #37 Revmitchell, Mar 6, 2008
  18. Crabtownboy

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    Fried Preacher

    Why, isn't it true that most people have friend preacher .... ahhhhh, I mean fried chicken every Sunday at lunch???:laugh:
     
    #38 Crabtownboy, Mar 7, 2008
  19. Dale-c

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    There is a big difference between "friend preacher" (I think you meant fried?) And simply judging his doctrine by the scriptures.

    In the case of Billy Sunday, it is really easy since in the sermon I brought up, he never even USED scripture!
     
    #39 Dale-c, Mar 7, 2008
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