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Is man restricted to his own Nature?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by MB, Dec 1, 2017.

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  1. MB

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    No man is sinless, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. This still is not an inability to call on, or believe in the name of Jesus. Where does scripture say we can't believe or call on Jesus. Where does scripture say we must be regenerated first.
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    We all know that.
    We all know that.

    Not the topic. Please stick to the topic.

    Not the topic. Please stick to the topic.

    Why do you keep running away and not answering my question? I will post it again. This will be the 4th time I have posted it. Please, don't run away. Answer it.

    "So, again, I ask, for the 4th time, what part of man has not been affected by sin and is still perfectly sinless and able to go to heaven on its own merits? The body? The soul? The spirit? Which one has not been affected by the fall and remains in sinless perfection."
     
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    Katrina;
    None of what you have posted proves any part of Calvinism. All these verses when read in context of the KJV do not give Calvinism any support.
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    I would never run from you. Nothing you have ever done scares me in the least. Stop trying to bully me it will not work. The subject is ." Is man restricted to his own nature" I say no then you answer with a question. Do you have a answer? If not then don't answer
     
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    Free from what? We already have free will.
     
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    Prove what you say. How does the context of any other verses change the meaning? Please demonstrate.
     
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    Funny, the Pharisees said the very same thing.

    They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”

    Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
     
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    Scripture please?
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    Any one can quote scripture one verse at a time. Few can actually explain what they believe with scripture in context.
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    Ah! come on lets be serious here I've shown you before what happens when you take scripture out of context.
    Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
    This verse above says plainly we are saved by Grace through faith.
    Though you only admit that you are saved by Grace alone.
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    You love to tell how it is with out scripture to prove it. That alone makes what you have said worthless.
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    I just stick to scripture.
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    Are you always this dense or is this just a special occasion? How can you even think that I am denying Sola Fide?
     
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    So do I
     
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    I posted the scripture. You didn't even recognize it.

    As I did for the 'rev', I extend the same to you. Show where I have used eisegesis.

    Total depravity is true. And... it seems that TC has been asking you the same question four times. You cannot answer so you throw your ignorance in full play.

    One of the things TC does so well, is to force people to back up their statements with scripture.
     
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    No, you don't. I had to provide it to you.

    Where does faith come from? Don't just guess, quote the Bible.
     
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    Where does faith come from? It doesn't come from us because the verse says "it is not of yourselves"

    Where does faith come from?
     
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    Okay. Here it is, Hezekiah 4:9 "It was an ignorant Semi-Pelagian who coined the term "total inability.""

    Then why do you keep running away from the question I have now asked you 5 times? I know why. You are scared to death that if you answer it honestly you will be proven wrong.

    Prove me wrong. Answer the question.

    "So, again, I ask, for the 5th time, what part of man has not been affected by sin and is still perfectly sinless and able to go to heaven on its own merits? The body? The soul? The spirit? Which one has not been affected by the fall and remains in sinless perfection."
     
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    It’s that sparkling Kearney NJ demeanor of yours that just charms them everytime :Laugh
     
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    Kearny. Not Kearney. Get it right or I'll smack you with a roll of Taylor Ham.
     
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