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Is Mark 16:17-20 for today?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by luke1616, Aug 16, 2010.

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Is Mark 16:17-20 for today's believers?

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  2. NO

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  1. Bob Alkire

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    Tom, that sound a lot like the old Windy Bagwell song. That is great!!!

    Take a look, http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=cf123adc0606eb33f975
     
    #21 Bob Alkire, Aug 19, 2010
  2. kyredneck

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    Dittoes. :)
     
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  3. Luke2427

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    The purpose of signs is to prove that the one doing the sign speaks for God. God ratifies and endorses the words of the speaker by enabling him to perform miracles.

    We have the Bible now. The Apostles are in heaven.

    God is not giving any more divine revelation. No one is speaking for God anything that is not recorded in the Word of God. So signs have ceased because we HAVE the Word of God.

    That signs were to confirm the Word of God and the one who declared it is clear. Nicodemus came to Jesus by night saying, "We know that thou art a teacher come from God..." WHY? "... for no man doest the works that you do unless he is sent form God."

    Again Jesus told the Pharisees, "If you don't believe my words, believe me for the WORKS sake."

    And Hebrews 2 is VERY clear:

    "2For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;

    3How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

    4God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?"

    Unless you are speaking for God some NEW revelation- you are probably NOT performing REAL miracles.
     
    #23 Luke2427, Dec 24, 2010
  4. luke1616

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    Sure I am, but unless you see them for yourself, you won't believe.
     
    #24 luke1616, Dec 24, 2010
  5. Don

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    Act 8:9-10
     
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  6. Luke2427

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    Is this New Revelation as authoritative as the Word of God?

    Before you answer be mindful that new revelation is one of the predominant characteristics of cults.

    Making a man's leg grow three inches happens in a chiropractor's office every day.

    Tell me you've got something more than that.
     
    #26 Luke2427, Dec 24, 2010
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    #27 gb93433, Dec 24, 2010
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    In the sovereignty of the Spirit these things are always possible.
     
    #28 Earth Wind and Fire, Dec 24, 2010
  9. Robert Snow

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    I would think these verses applied to the Apostles, and was confined to there time, however, I really don't know.

    Now if God told me to handle a poisonous snake today, I would obey, right after I shot it dead!
     
    #29 Robert Snow, Dec 24, 2010
  10. luke1616

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    A chiropractor is limited, God is not. It is God's will to heal, the devil came to kill steal and destroy. There are only two masters. If a man heals someone supernaturally in the name of Jesus, RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, and you think it's the devil, that is your option.
     
    #30 luke1616, Dec 24, 2010
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    Acts 8:10 The people called sorcery the great power of God....
     
    #31 Don, Dec 24, 2010
  12. luke1616

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    In the end days they will call good evil, and evil good. Most who have never seen a miracle doubt that they even exist, so when Jesus shows up and does one, they are suspicious or even jealous as the Pharasees were, and are.
     
    #32 luke1616, Dec 24, 2010
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    Yes but would you take that motorcycle ride you just posted?:thumbs:
     
    #33 Earth Wind and Fire, Dec 24, 2010
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    The bible is clear that false prophets and false Christs will be able to do great signs and wonders.

    Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

    John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

    2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


    What is the purpose of signs and wonders?

    Mark 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

    To confirm the inscripturation of the word of God. As the canon is closed, and a great curse is pronounced on those who try to add to the canon (Rev. 22:18) it is obvious that the purpose of signs and wonders has ceased and they are no longer Christian, but are the work of the devil to prepare the gullible for the coming of the Anti-Christ.

    Only the wicked require a sign.

    Matthew 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
     
    #34 TCassidy, Dec 24, 2010
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    Mark 16 should end at verse 8 as that is all we can be sure is authentic to the original.
     
    #35 go2church, Dec 24, 2010
  16. Robert Snow

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    I would rather kiss the snake before shooting it. :laugh:
     
    #36 Robert Snow, Dec 24, 2010
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    The overwhelming majority of the manuscript evidence indicates otherwise. :)

    It is better to understand what God's word is saying than to just reject it out of hand. :)
     
    #37 TCassidy, Dec 24, 2010
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    Mat 4:7 Jesus said to him, "Again it is written, 'You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.'"
     
    #38 Gershom, Dec 24, 2010
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    It is not always God's will to heal. If that were the case then Heb. 9:27 would be a lie.
     
    #39 gb93433, Dec 24, 2010
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    Remember that those scriptures also speak of those people performing false miracles. It just depends on the "miracle." If it is the old "Make the leg grow" several inches trick (which is a old, and easily duplicatable magic trick), then yes, I would not believe. If I saw a guy buried in the ground in the coffin, that had been dead for three days (like Lazarus), then I would believe.

    As much as our Charismaniac brothers would have us believe otherwise, we are COMMANDED to be DISCERNING. We are NOT supposed to believe everything we see. We are warned that the Devil masquerades as an angel of light.

    And NO, we are not promised healing in this life. Nor is healing the ends. It is the means. Jesus told us why He healed...

    Mat 9:6 But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins"--he then said to the paralytic--"Rise, pick up your bed and go home."


    Other times, such as Paul's eyes, and Timothy's stomach, God chose not to heal.

    So here it is: if someone healed someone, and then stood up and preached the REAL Gospel (salvation from sin, death to self, repentance unto life, etc), I would say "Hallelujah! Great."

    If they "healed" someone, and then made an appeal for money, or somekind of promise of material "blessing" that goes AGAINST scripture (because it does. Scripture promises a Christian will be poor, hated, beaten, and afflicted, and have "trouble in this life"), then I would stand up and call him down for the fake heretic that he is.
     
    #40 Havensdad, Dec 24, 2010
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