Is the Pope an Atheist?

For Christians, the heart of the issue really comes down to the question "Does the concept of a Big Bang type creation event undermine Scripture?" I could argue that the broad concept in fact does the opposite. The Big Bang theory validates the Christian concepts of a finite universe, an initial beginning and a creation of time and space.

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If you are looking for the darwinistic "big bang", it does not exist. Since you fail to grasp anything but that concept, why bother? It is part of the literal 6 day creation in Genesis. The fact the universe is expanding is proof, just like an apple falling from a tree is proof of gravity. The Bible doesn't explain gravity, but it is real, and it is true.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Usually what someone says when they lose a point of debate. The fact the universe is expanding is not a "red herring", it is verifiable proof that all creation has one single origin. That origins is God. If you do not believe that, maybe you don't hold to creationism like you think you do.

"second verse, same as the first"

Since I said nothing of new things being created, I didn't bring this into the discussion. The straw is what you use.

Another false dichotomy. I'm glad you feel qualified to tell God how He had to create the universe.

No amount of reason will be good enough for you. I would suggest reading Lee Strobel's A Case For A Creator for others who hold to this view.

I will leave you with this: Dr. Robert Jastrow, Director Emeritus of Mount Wilson Observatory and founder of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies had written "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

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On day 4 God made "two great lights" not "a zillion-and-two".

God is also stated to be the creator of the stars - but we are not told when He made them.

in Christ,

Bob

 

I may see a car heading down the road going west - does that mean that the car started its drive in China? I agree with extrapolating motion backwards to the point of origin - when all things were created but how far back do you go before you find that point of origin? Is it really reasonable to think that all of the universe existed as the size of a thimbal at one moment in time?

Given that God created this world - and our solar system about 6000 years ago - out here on the edge right of our Galaxy -- right where we are today. It is likely that God also created other galaxies etc in some kind of spread out position "at the start".

We know that God is eternal but matter is not. We know that therefore matter itself "came into being" at some point in time as a result of "God spoke and it was".

But how much more than that do we know?

in Christ,

Bob

 

God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night

Count them.

One.

Two.

I prefer to believe the Bible.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Day 4 - God created TWO great lights - not "a zillion and two".

That is the clue that Genesis 1:1 is a general statement about God the creator of all the universe - (sinless and perfect) and Gen 1:2-2:3 is the doctrine on creation of THIS world and TWO great lights (Sun and moon) and ALL life on earth - in a literal 7 day week with the 7th day sanctified by God as the Sabbath, about 6000 years ago.

Thus in Heb 1:2 God is the creator of the "Worlds" KJV not merely this world (Is 45:18). The Angels existed before mankind.

The "gap" in the Bible does not indicate a sinful universe or death in the universe before the creation of earth.

This is not a case of "out of context". God is said to be the one who "made the stars also" in Genesis 1- but the text does not require that He made them on day 4.

On each of the 6 working days of Creation week "God said" what He specifically did --

On day 4 God said

14 Then God said, ""Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years;
15 and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth''; and it was so.
16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; (He made the stars also).

Notice that even the phrase "He made" is not actually IN the text when it comes to the stars because God did not do that on day 4. On Day 4 God said what He did - "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years;"

Then God tells us the number of lights made

16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night;

The only number given -- is TWO

Now in this form of Gap theory - as compared to those who think that Angels and the entire universe were created on day 4 - BOTH views accept that there is no sin or death before the fall of man and BOTH views accept a literal 7 day creation week for this earth that happened about 6,000 years ago.

The issue of the Pope and evolutionism when it comes "to atheist" has more to do with the Catholic idea of rejecting the Intelligent Design form of evolutionism. Rejecting I.D. evolutionism is a "distinctly atheist" POV that rejects Romans 1.

in Christ,

Bob

 

There's no such thing as atheism to God. You're either one of his chosen few, the prophets, saints or Jesus, or you're an unbeliever. God never chose a man to be a pope to rule over his people. God can do that job all on his own but the prophets, Jesus and us saints became his servants to speak for him until we're killed by the unbelievers.