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Is this FAIR?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by givengrace, Nov 9, 2008.

  1. Crabtownboy

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    You are right. It is kind of like siblings. They can call each other names, but if a kid from outside the family calls one of the the same name all the siblings will round up the wagons and ................................
     
  2. givengrace

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    And I Can understand that Like I "FAT Joke " being told by a Fat person to a Fat person or the same with "Red Neck Jokes" It just is more readily accepted.



    But does that mean a Person even in the WRONG should loose a Job?
     
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    They say it constantly on television where it's considered entertainment.
     
  4. givengrace

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    Yeah BUT does that mean it is okay?? NO WAY
    It was used referring to Obama and referencing a Christmas ornament and Hanging it on the tree.

    I'm sure EVERYONE will agree VERY VERY BAD JOKE!!


    I just now ask for Prayer. As my friend who may lose her job would have a hard time getting insurance cause she is a Cancer survivor.
     
  5. Dragoon68

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    There are many things that are not okay ranging from bad taste to mildly offensive to downright inflammatory. The airwaves are full of the entire spectrum. The problem is a sense of balance and judgment about these things. On the one hand we demand harsh punishment for something called a "hostile work environment" wherein people are fired for words perhaps only in bad taste. On the other hand we defend the rights of people to express themselves openly to the other extreme and beyond. We no longer have the ability to make a judgment about intentions, severity, etc. and overlook or punish to an appropriate degree. This is a product of government intervention and the resulting potential for litigation. This is what people resent about this. Most people don't advocate the acceptance of the words but just want equity in how it's handled. It is interesting to note that very often the "offended" party is otherwise a willing and active participant in language equally or more offensive. They just seize the opportunity to take advantage of someone else and help nail their hide to the wall. That's not justice!
     
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    But you don't support any government aid in nmedical care do you? That would be socialist.
     
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    I have scanned the thread.

    The fact of the matter is that life is NOT fair. We need to take care in the things we do and say. If there is any possibility that we may have to apologize for it later then we'd best not do it.

    We had a guy a work lose his job for what I considered a minor contract violation and others didn't lose theirs for other contract violations. Not fair there either. Neither was it my decision.

    I will pray for your friend.
     
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    I'm sorry but I'm not understanding what your asking me? If you were asking me a Question that is.
     
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    It doesn't matter where it happened or when. An African American employee recieved an email with a racial slur from a white employee. The African American employee brought it to the attention of the management. The managers must act (and rightfully so), or open themselves up for potentially large losses from a lawsuit.

    There is little difference between this and any other form of harrassment that occurs between employees. If a male employee started following a female employee around after work, on weekends, etc..., the company management could rightfully fire him because the resulting evironment at work would be hostile, based on his private conduct while not at work.

    You appear to have sided with your friend without knowing all the facts.

    That may put you in an awkward situation in the future.

    peace to you:praying:
     
  10. JustChristian

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    You are concerned that your friend might not be able to get medical insurance because she is a cancer survivor. Should the government provide a program to allow these kinds of people to get insurance? My brother is in the same condition. He doesn't have any medical insurance like 50 million other Americans. I think that unacceptable in America. What do you think?
     
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    So at what point do you want the gov't to give a person medical insurance ? At conception ? :laugh:

    Your positioning yourself on the moral high ground is a joke.
     
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    Political "correctness" has never been about fairness or decorum. It has always been about an agenda, and coercing one side to conform to it. If folks hate the "N" word, then I'll offer them the advice given us in the Scriptures. Behave in a manner that would shame those who use it against you.
     
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    I Feel that My friend that could loose her job doesn't deserve to lose her job. But I would like to also add I'm not choosing Sides because I to am friends with the other lady as well. I just think the punishment of a job loss doesn't fit the crime (so to speak) My OP wasn't about Health coverage. except that could be a result of a lost job. I'm sorry to hear that your brother is dealing with this. And I feel that if he has a job and can pay for his coverage he should have the coverage. If he doesn't have a job he should be covered through either SSi disability or Medicaid. I just don't approve of people who are abled body people who can work but choose not to and expect the Government to cover medical and Housing and Food Utilities and such. These things are for a help up not a HAND OUT. I only feel that in Elderly (not able body) or disabled people should have IF NEEDED to be helped for a longer time.

    Now this isn't the OP if you would like to no more on how I feel on this

    please start a new Thread and Please direct me by PM to it. Thanks for your input.
     
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    It is the result of government meddling and potential litigation that has removed the ability of people to make appropriate judgments and introduced the means for others to make a "federal case" out of something relatively minor. When will we learn to throw off this kind of government regulation?
     
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    It is the result of 100 years of whites making the rules for "fairness" that permitted all kinds of abuse toward minorities, expecially blacks.

    As far as it being "relatively minor"; unless you are African American you cannot possibly know what "relatively minor" means when it comes to racial slurs containing this word.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    Well, you can call me a 'white honky, heterosexual, Spanish-and-English-speaking, ASL-and-MSL signing, Yankee-born, God-loving, French-German-American' and I won't hold it against you...





    ...but don't you step on my blue suede shoes!!!:laugh:
     
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    There are Racial Slurs to all Races but they don't call each other by these names but you never hear as much about the others. But you have to admit that Blacks themselves Call each other the same racial slur that when coming from another is treated much worse. As someone else already said the "N" word is used on TV from one Black to another.

    I would also add. That I work with children and over the years I have worked with many more black children than white. And I have also had these children who I LOVE DEARLY say very hurtful things to me as to my race that I can only believe they have heard at home. I treat ALL children on my bus with respect and I expect the same for myself. I have NEVER nor will I ever mistreat a child of ANY RACE. And I get offended by those people who just assume because I am of a different race that I would. Most of my children call me Momma because most of there Mothers are either Not around or are occupied with other things. But I have been told by some that they don't have to listen to me because I'm White and there Momma told them that white people don't like them.I have friends, Co-workers neighbors and Family who are black or have black close family relatives. I even took my son when he was 4 out of a Day Care center that was at least 85% white both teachers and students and put my son into a Day Care that He was THE ONLY CHILD that was White. And we had the BEST year there and do you know my son never even noticed he was "different" they were all just his friends. But later that next summer a White child pointed out to my son that he shouldn't play with the black kids. And my son was heat broken. And I was ONE MAD MOMMA! So I can understand how Racial slurs can and DO HURT. But I don't need to apologize for someone else's actions no more than The Blacks do for the actions of others.
     
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    Hey! I'm a White Honky, Red Neck, Southern Baptist, ADD with a little sometimers,Irish with a little Scotch in me (Ups! I'm SB can't be doing that!) and I was BORN in the USA!

    But I don't have any BLUE SUEDE Shoes. Can I just say don't step on my Bare Feet :<)

    BUT Might I say that GOD still LOVES me and would have still dies just to save Little O'l ME! How COOL is that!
     
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    Baloney! People of all demographics have been "abusing" others including those of their own group and others. Everyone has names for others of one group or another that may not be appreciated. Blacks are no exception and are just as guilty of making racial slurs to non-blacks and other blacks. It's not good - it's something to avoid - but it's not on a par with physical abuse or something more serious. If it is then we need to get busy cleaning up a lot of venues including nearly all of what's shown of BET. You won't find any "white guilt" here, my friend. We're all guilty of one thing or another. We need to have the ability to make judgments about what's serious and what's not.
     
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    Baloney back at you! This isn't about "people abusing" others of a different race. This isn't about white guilt.

    This is about a systematic, government sponsored, institutionalized abuse that lasted over 100 years after slavery was abolished, and still exists today in some areas. The government protected whites who abused blacks. The government put into place laws that promoted the abuse of blacks.

    With the possible exception of Native Americans, no other group has been treated like this on such a wide scale.

    Back to the OP. A white person sent a racial slur to an African American via email. The African American complained to management. The company must act, and has every right and duty to do so.

    If you cannot understand the reason why, or just assume this is an overreaction on the part of the African American, then you are blind concerning this issue.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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