Is this happening in your school?

[Salty]

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[JonC]

No. There are transgender clubs in the middle school, but this is because it's a microcosmic society and what is pushed to kids by media.

My son graduated from a large public high school two years ago and my wife works in the school system.

What these kids are learning that makes them transgender (in my area, anyway) is not coming from the education system. The middle school is where my wife works. The school is just as discouraged as we are. The issue, however, is that they cannot discriminate. If they have a Christian club (they do) and a group wants an atheist club then they have to allow it.

I am in SC, so I can only speak of these schools in my county.

 

[Scarlett O.]

No, we don't.

Our students are not allowed to express anything political, sexual, or things that will stir up controversy.

No MAGA hats, no "Go Brandon" shirts, no pride flags or pride rainbows, etc.

It's in the student handbooks and explained to students and parents on parent night.

 

[Salty]

...The issue, however, is that they cannot discriminate. If they have a Christian club (they do) and a group wants an atheist club then they have to allow it. ...

and I have no problem with that - my concern is that the kids were told it was a secret - and they were not to even tell their parents.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

No. There are transgender clubs in the middle school, but this is because it's a microcosmic society and what is pushed to kids by media.

My son graduated from a large public high school two years ago and my wife works in the school system.

What these kids are learning that makes them transgender (in my area, anyway) is not coming from the education system. The middle school is where my wife works. The school is just as discouraged as we are. The issue, however, is that they cannot discriminate. If they have a Christian club (they do) and a group wants an atheist club then they have to allow it.

I am in SC, so I can only speak of these schools in my county.

Media is not the main influence in such a club.

While the media, including Internet, may have indirect influence, such clubs, especially those teacher-sponsored, are another, much deeper, more powerful level of influence.

Such clubs and meetings are able to do what media cannot: personally, secretly pressure and indoctrinate.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

No, we don't.

Our students are not allowed to express anything political, sexual, or things that will stir up controversy.

No MAGA hats, no "Go Brandon" shirts, no pride flags or pride rainbows, etc.

It's in the student handbooks and explained to students and parents on parent night.

Is this saying that there are no clubs in the schools there?

 

[Scarlett O.]

Is this saying that there are no clubs in the schools there?

Yes, there are clubs. Art club, Beta club, Band, all the sports, ..... the traditional clubs.

Just no political clubs, clubs based on sexual preference, or clubs that would stir up controversy.

 

[DaveXR650]

No. There are transgender clubs in the middle school, but this is because it's a microcosmic society and what is pushed to kids by media.

That's true. The trouble with public schools is that they are public. If you have government officials running around dressed up like big ugly women and everyone pretending like that is not odd then of course you will have that in the public school. If you go to your corporate job and meekly sit through ridiculous brainwashing sessions then don't be shocked when the public school does it too.

 

[JonC]

Media is not the main influence in such a club.

While the media, including Internet, may have indirect influence, such clubs, especially those teacher-sponsored, are another, much deeper, more powerful level of influence.

Such clubs and meetings are able to do what media cannot: personally, secretly pressure and indoctrinate.

So it's good and bad (the Christian clubs winning souls, the anti-Christian ones in indoctrinating into evil).

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

So it's good and bad (the Christian clubs winning souls, the anti-Christian ones in indoctrinating into evil).

The real problem is the secrecy. When parents are informed, then the equation changes dramatically.

 

[JonC]

The real problem is the secrecy. When parents are informed, then the equation changes dramatically.

We just don't see the things reported. So it makes it difficult to know.

I'm not sure if the reports are exaggerated or if the severity just has not reached us yet. What we see is more the effects on culture (I believe by television shows as we are talking about middle school children who are gay one day, straight the next, non-binary the next....they are confused because of what they are being fed at home about what is normal).

The most of the school's teachers, and the secretary, are conservative Christians who are shocked about the state of these kids. . . these few kids that just don't fit in. Much of this is gone by high school.

But we do live in SC. So maybe it just hasn't gotten that bad here yet. I don't know.

 

[Van]

No, we don't.

Our students are not allowed to express anything political, sexual, or things that will stir up controversy.

No MAGA hats, no "Go Brandon" shirts, no pride flags or pride rainbows, etc.

It's in the student handbooks and explained to students and parents on parent night.

If anyone doubts that the only way for our 1st Amendment right to the free exercise of our religion is school choice, behold the government dictating what views are allowed in school.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

We just don't see the things reported. So it makes it difficult to know.

I'm not sure if the reports are exaggerated or if the severity just has not reached us yet. What we see is more the effects on culture (I believe by television shows as we are talking about middle school children who are gay one day, straight the next, non-binary the next....they are confused because of what they are being fed at home about what is normal).

The most of the school's teachers, and the secretary, are conservative Christians who are shocked about the state of these kids. . . these few kids that just don't fit in. Much of this is gone by high school.

But we do live in SC. So maybe it just hasn't gotten that bad here yet. I don't know.

Yes, parents need to keep a watchful eye, be closely involved, something school systems often don't really want.

 

[Salty]

So if we allow full school choice -
Does that mean that we should help fund a:
"Christian" day School at Westboro Baptist
A religion that practices animal sacrifice
A school run by Nazis?

So who decides what is acceptable for public funding?

YES- serious question

 

[DaveXR650]

So if we allow full school choice -
Does that mean that we should help fund a:
"Christian" day School at Westboro Baptist
A religion that practices animal sacrifice
A school run by Nazis?

So who decides what is acceptable for public funding?

YES- serious question

Yes it does. Not only that but the success of current private and charter schools is based on their ability to select and "deselect" students. We have school choice if you pay for it. If you mean some kind of voucher or public assistance here's what will happen. Private school tuition will immediately go up roughly the same amount as the average voucher. Weird schools will proliferate, as they already are from left to right as people line up for the massive influx of money. Kids will come to your school waving a voucher and bringing their culture, problems and misbehavior with them. Government will demand non-discriminative practices and equity in discipline and in admissions to ALL the private schools. Teachers will get tired of all this and the money being shifted to the corporate leadership and they will unionize and you will end up with something that looks very much like - public schools.

 

[Salty]

Some good points, Dave

 

[JonC]

So if we allow full school choice -
Does that mean that we should help fund a:
"Christian" day School at Westboro Baptist
A religion that practices animal sacrifice
A school run by Nazis?

So who decides what is acceptable for public funding?

YES- serious question

It means we fund Christian, Mormon, Muslim... potentially Wicca....school's.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Yes it does. Not only that but the success of current private and charter schools is based on their ability to select and "deselect" students. We have school choice if you pay for it. If you mean some kind of voucher or public assistance here's what will happen. Private school tuition will immediately go up roughly the same amount as the average voucher. Weird schools will proliferate, as they already are from left to right as people line up for the massive influx of money. Kids will come to your school waving a voucher and bringing their culture, problems and misbehavior with them. Government will demand non-discriminative practices and equity in discipline and in admissions to ALL the private schools. Teachers will get tired of all this and the money being shifted to the corporate leadership and they will unionize and you will end up with something that looks very much like - public schools.

Charter schools ARE public schools. To get in requires a public lottery where names are drawn by a disinterested party at a public meeting.

 

[Scarlett O.]

If anyone doubts that the only way for our 1st Amendment right to the free exercise of our religion is school choice, behold the government dictating what views are allowed in school.

You're darn tooting we dictate what our underage students can express.

NO political tee-shirts or hats - right or left.
NO sexual messages or clubs.
NO Pride messages.

I'm glad that my school doesn't allow underage students to be politically aggressive [and we consider underage to be all the way through 12th grade].

 

[Salty]

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