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Is your Bible Inerrant?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Ed Edwards, Sep 21, 2003.

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  1. -3 the Bible has many major errors and is invalid

    1.0%
  2. -2 the Bible has major errors so is only marginally useful

    1.0%
  3. -1 the Bible has minor errors and should be used with caution

    4.2%
  4. 0 the Bible has minor errors but is still useful

    11.5%
  5. 1 The Bible is inerrant on all doctrinal issues

    12.5%
  6. 2 The Bible is inerrant on all issues: doctrinal, historic, and scientific

    45.8%
  7. 3 The Bible is inerrant in the original autographs

    3.1%
  8. 4 The Bible is inerrant only in the Textus Receptus (TR)

    4.2%
  9. 5 The Bible is inerrant only in the KJV 1611 (exclusive of translator notes)

    2.1%
  10. The Bible is inerrant only in the KJV 1611 (including the translator notes)

    1.0%
  11. 7 The Bible is inerrant only in the KJB1769 and/or KJB1873

    3.1%
  12. 8 inerrant in any English translation based on the TR

    1.0%
  13. 9 inerrant in any English translation translated by dynamic equivalence

    9.4%
  14. 10 The Bible is inerrant in all English translations

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. 11 inerrant as implemented in the Doctrine of the Church of England <img border="0" title="" alt=

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  16. 12 inerrant implemented in the US Republican Party platform <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Ed Edwards

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    Wow! a 49th for:
    5 The Bible is inerrant only in the KJV 1611 (exclusive of translator notes)

    Interesting that this is the majority KJV-onlyist
    position supported on this poll (3-votes).
    From talking to actual posting KJV-onlyists
    here, it seems like more actually agree
    with
    7. The Bible is inerrant only in the KJB1769 and/or KJB1873
    Which only has one vote.
    It seems like the posting KJV-onlyists would be more likely
    agree
    1 with the 1611 only
    3 with the 1769 or 1873

    But on the internet, according to a recent survey i took,
    the KJV1611 is not used by any KJB advocate or KJV-onliest.

    And the comic-book doctrine-ites believe that the KJV1611
    is corrupted by Jesuits who inserted those pesky
    translator notes [​IMG]

    Anyway, thank you, Mr/Mrs 49th voter!!! [​IMG]
     
  2. Ed Edwards

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    OH! a new voter.
    I'll have to analyse this later.
    I've got to get read for a noontime
    meal with my Sunday School class
    (at my house) [​IMG]
     
  3. gb93433

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    If the KJV of 1611 (that has been revised a few times) is the only innerrant Bible what does that say about those that preceded it? I guess that throws out the Greek NT and the LXX as well.
     
  4. swordsman

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    YES it does seem that way doesn't it [​IMG]
     
  5. Ed Edwards

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    As of 2 Dec 2003:

    Poll Results: Is your Bible Inerrant? (52 votes.)
    Is your Bible Inerrant?
    Choose 1
    -3 the Bible has many major errors and is invalid 0% (0)
    -2 the Bible has major errors so is only marginally useful 2% (1)
    -1 the Bible has minor errors and should be used with caution 0% (0)
    0 the Bible has minor errors but is still useful 4% (2)
    1 The Bible is inerrant on all doctrinal issues 12% (6)
    2 The Bible is inerrant on all issues: doctrinal, historic, and scientific 10% (5)
    3 The Bible is inerrant in the original autographs 42% (22)
    4 The Bible is inerrant only in the Textus Receptus (TR) 2% (1)
    5 The Bible is inerrant only in the KJV 1611 (exclusive of translator notes) 8% (4)
    The Bible is inerrant only in the KJV 1611 (including the translator notes) 2% (1)
    7 The Bible is inerrant only in the KJB1769 and/or KJB1873 2% (1)
    8 inerrant in any English translation based on the TR 4% (2)
    9 inerrant in any English translation translated by dynamic equivalence 0% (0)
    10 The Bible is inerrant in all English translations 13% (7) [​IMG]
    11 inerrant as implemented in the Doctrine of the Church of England 0% (0)
    12 inerrant implemented in the US Republican Party platform 0% (0)

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Ed Edwards

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    Inerrancy rules [​IMG]
     
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    It says that there was no "pure, perfect, preserved, inerrant" word of God in English before 1611, so God must have failed to keep His promise to preserve His word as far as English speaking people were concerned.

    Either that, or it says that the KJV-Only concept of preservation is mistaken.
     
  8. Ed Edwards

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    Wow! three new votes!
    Here are the three new votes:
    1 The Bible is inerrant on all doctrinal issues 13% (7)
    3 The Bible is inerrant in the original autographs 42% (23)
    10 The Bible is inerrant in all English translations 15% (8)
     
  9. Ed Edwards

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    Here are the words from the SOF = statement
    of faith, for this board:

    The Holy Bible was written by men
    divinely inspired and is God's revelation
    of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure
    of divine instruction. It has God for
    its author, salvation for its end,
    and truth, without any mixture of error,
    for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture
    is totally true and trustworthy.
    It reveals the principles by which
    God judges us, and therefore is, and will
    remain to the end of the world, the
    true center of Christian union, and the
    supreme standard by which all human
    conduct, creeds, and religious opinions
    should be tried. All Scripture is
    a testimony to Christ, who is Himself
    the focus of divine revelation.


    Notice on the question, any answer
    1 through 12 is Inerrant, hense "matches"
    the SOF guideline.

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Baptist born Baptist bred

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    I don't think I agree with you last statement. 1-12 would not follow the literal understanding of the Statement of Faith. The literal understanding says without any mixture of error. If one votes that the Bible is only inerrant on doctrinal issues, they are choosing not to say it is inerrant on all issues. Thus, by implication containing a mixture of possible errors in history/science. Anything less than complete inerrancy is not in agreement with the Statement of Faith in my opinion.
     
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    I don't think I agree with you last statement. 1-12 would not follow the literal understanding of the Statement of Faith. The literal understanding says without any mixture of error. If one votes that the Bible is only inerrant on doctrinal issues, they are choosing not to say it is inerrant on all issues. Thus, by implication containing a mixture of possible errors in history/science. Anything less than complete inerrancy is not in agreement with the Statement of Faith in my opinion. </font>[/QUOTE]
     
  13. Ed Edwards

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    I said: "Notice on the question, any answer
    1 through 12 is Inerrant, hense "matches"
    the SOF guideline."

    Baptist born, Baptist bred said:
    "I don't think I agree with you last statement."

    Let me rephrase so you can disagree with the statement
    and not with me:

    "Notice on the question, any answer
    1 through 12, some will say meets
    their definition of Inerrant, hense
    conforms with the SOF guideline."

    [​IMG]
     
  14. GoldenTongue

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    I would agree with your summation and observation. [​IMG] Some will say that “any answer 1 through 12…meets their definition of Inerrant, hence conforms with the SOF guideline;” however, I will disagree with those that make this statement. :confused: If you vote that “The Bible is inerrant on all doctrinal issues” then the logical sequence of arguments would follow. Does the Bible contain only doctrinal issues? If it does, then what part are doctrinal and what part are not doctrinal? Are those parts considered the Bible, etc..? If you affirm that the Bible “has God for its author” then every part of the Bible must be inerrant. If it is not, then what part did God not write because God can not lie nor any deceit be found within Him. On the other hand if you affirm that 4-12 are correct you put your trust in the inerrancy of interpretation and translation. This is a thin line because I believe that well over 99% of the Bible that we have now is inerrant. However, I will admit to textual variances in different texts and incorrect interpretations, thus the errant translations of the Bible. Therefore, the only logically conclusion and most trustworthy answer would be that “The Bible is inerrant in the original autographs.” It is the original autographs that are totally inerrant in all they say, teach, and affirm. Each word is the inerrant word of God and placed in the exact place with the exact wording that God had ordained them to be placed. [​IMG]
     
  15. Phil310

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    I voted "Inerrent in the original autographs only."
    Had there been a category "Inerrent in any English Translation so long as it is faithfully translated from the originals" and place one degree above the "dynamic equivalent" option, I would have chosen that one.
     
  16. Ed Edwards

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    Poll Results: Is your Bible Inerrant? (60 votes.)
    Is your Bible Inerrant?
    Choose 1

    First column: new votes since #52
    Second column the category
    Third column: current % and current count:

    == -3 the Bible has many major errors and is invalid 0% (0)
    == -2 the Bible has major errors so is only marginally useful 2% (1)
    == -1 the Bible has minor errors and should be used with caution 0% (0)
    == 0 the Bible has minor errors but is still useful 3% (2)
    +1 1 The Bible is inerrant on all doctrinal issues 12% (7)
    == 2 The Bible is inerrant on all issues: doctrinal, historic, and scientific 8% (5)
    +6 3 The Bible is inerrant in the original autographs 47% (28)
    == 4 The Bible is inerrant only in the Textus Receptus (TR) 2% (1)
    == 5 The Bible is inerrant only in the KJV 1611 (exclusive of translator notes) 7% (4)
    == 6. The Bible is inerrant only in the KJV 1611 (including the translator notes) 2% (1)
    == 7 The Bible is inerrant only in the KJB1769 and/or KJB1873 2% (1)
    == 8 inerrant in any English translation based on the TR 3% (2)
    == 9 inerrant in any English translation translated by dynamic equivalence 0% (0)
    +1 10 The Bible is inerrant in all English translations 13% (8)
    == 11 inerrant as implemented in the Doctrine of the Church of England 0% (0)
    == 12 inerrant implemented in the US Republican Party platform 0% (0)

    [​IMG] thank you for voting [​IMG]
     
  17. Ed Edwards

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    Thank you Brother Phil310. I'll have that in
    next time i use the poll.
     
  18. Ed Edwards

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    My Bible is inerrant. [​IMG]
     
  19. Ed Edwards

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    Mine is a New King James Version
    and it is also inerrant! [​IMG]
     
  20. timothy 1769

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    Mine is a New King James Version
    and it is also inerrant! [​IMG]
    </font>[/QUOTE]Are all the variations in the foonotes inerrant too? [​IMG]
     
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